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Author Topic: Neutral where 4th gear should be?  (Read 1016 times)

PAndy

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Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« on: May 13, 2011, 05:29:40 PM »
Hi, I just brought home my brand new 2011 C5 yesterday.  While driving around and breaking it in, I noticed that sometimes when I shift up from 3rd gear I end up in a neutral zone instead of 4th gear (I can't get any power to the wheel as if I'm in neutral, which needless to say confused me). 

When this happens, re-clutching and engaging does nothing to remedy the situation.  The throttle just revs the engine with no change in speed as it would in neutral.  The only way to get power to the wheel is to either shift up into 5th or down into 3rd. 

This only happens in when shifting up from 3rd to 4th (at least so far, only have 70 miles on it).  It may occur when I don't move the shift lever up completely, I started paying more attention now.

Has anyone had any issues with this, or do you have any idea what could be going on?

Other than this I love the bike, but I have a feeling this isn't something that fixes itself during break-in.

Andy

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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2011, 05:50:04 PM »
Clutch....2....3....shift. It's just new, use slow positive shifts till you and the bike learn each others habits  :D Congrats on the new C5 and welcome to the forum!
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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 06:09:54 PM »
Clutch....2....3....shift. It's just new, use slow positive shift's till you and the bike learn each others habbits  :D Congrats on the new C5 and welcome to the forum!

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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2011, 06:11:43 PM »
r80rt is right - it's just playing hard-to-get until it knows you better. Slow & positive is the way - there's a subtle double nudge feel to the gear shift on these bikes I find. It will improve along with the engine - just break it in nice, no lugging... ;)
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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 07:10:38 PM »
Good, I'm just glad that this isn't a wierd issue.  I guess I'm just too used to the old bike.

Thanks for all the responses guys! This has to be one of the best motorcycle forums around.

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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 08:18:32 PM »
It certainly has a feel much different than any other transmission I've ever had.  I don't know what word would describe it.  Loose?  Mushy?  Not the best words - once engaged it stays where it ought.

But the boys have it right:  Firm, deliberate shifts gets the job done. 
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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 08:53:20 PM »
yes deliberate is the word best describing shifting a royal enfield..any nonchalant movement is met with dissatisfaction..
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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2011, 08:57:20 PM »
False neutrals, every bike has them.  Make sure your clutch is adjusted properly and be deliberate in your shifts.

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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2011, 09:22:49 PM »
I had the same problem with my 2009 G5 DL.,but found it got better with use,I don't think the gearbox altered just me being more positive with it..
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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2011, 10:00:05 PM »
I don't think it gets any better with use, I think it's the rider that gets better with use.

My technique, which has me shifting as fast as I could possibly want, involves declutching with upward force still being applied to the shifter. There are false neutrals in between every single gear. You can use them to your advantage when you want to coast for a while without holding in the clutch.

Side question, not to sidetrack the thread... does anyone know if the ECU in these bikes is smart enough to cut the flow of fuel when it senses negative load? Just curious.
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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2011, 10:23:32 PM »
I have the same problem. Only thing that works 100% of the time is when I release the clutch lever gently when going into 4th gear.

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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2011, 11:53:18 PM »
Mine had the same issues for the first couple of hundred miles. It will go away as the bike breaks in. You will see a big difference when you do your first oil change at about 300 miles.
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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2011, 12:05:09 AM »
At around 2000 miles it will be a lot smoother  and the engine will free up a lot.
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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2011, 12:12:27 AM »
Mine had a false neutral in the same exact spot between purchase and around 1,500 miles. I bought some decent bike boots that are armored and with those on I naturally shift a little harder curing the issue almost completely except for when I'm not paying attention.

However, with just shoes or hiking boots you'll have to shift with purpose.  ;)

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Re: Neutral where 4th gear should be?
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2011, 02:54:18 AM »
I do not like toe only shifters.  This is why I put on a heel toe jobber.  I can get a more positive shift with it.

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