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Author Topic: By-pass stop switch on side stand.  (Read 2894 times)

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By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« on: May 15, 2011, 09:17:08 PM »
Has anyone bypassed the cut-off on the side stand. Pretty hard to stop and kick down the stand and not shut off the motor but SOMETIMES it may be nice to be able to start the bike with it down - kick for example ::"" :-\
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 10:03:57 PM »
Just disconnect it and you good to go.
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 11:19:25 PM »
i think all your switches and sensors should have a  embedded MAC address that way if the CPU doesn't get a answer in the startup config file you u don't get a start....that will take care of you bypassing anything..serves you guys right for not staying old school with the rest of us... ;D :o
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2011, 11:32:42 PM »
..serves you guys right for not staying old school with the rest of us... ;D :o

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2011, 11:39:05 PM »
Its easy to disconnect your side stand switch. It's also easy to end up as a hood ornament because you left your sidestand down.

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2011, 01:20:35 AM »
Just disconnect it and you good to go.


+1.  I did this a while ago to eliminate it as a potential problem while debugging something.  I like being able to warm it up on the side stand to much I never put it back.  Keep in mind, you are disabling a safety feature.

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2011, 01:51:58 AM »
How exactly, do you disconnect it ?

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2011, 02:00:39 AM »
Follow the wires up the the coupler and unplug it.
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2011, 02:05:32 AM »
How exactly, do you disconnect it ?

There is a connector just above the side stand near the frame that connects side stand switch.  Unplug it.  Then wrap the connectors in tape or shrink tube to protect from dust.  Tie it to the frame with a twist tie.  Here is a picture -

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2011, 04:28:00 AM »
It's also easy to end up as a hood ornament because you left your sidestand down.

I never understood how people can drive away with it down.  Hop on, straighten up, and sidestand up. 

I didn't mind my old Yamaha's switch which would shut off the engine when it was put in gear with the sidestand down, but to not let it start at all?  That's pointless.  Still, I left it connected for a while.

Then one day I couldn't get it started.  I gave the sidestand the slightest of upward pushes, and it fired right up.  I disconnected the damn thing the next day.  If it's going to "save me" when the stand isn't even down, I don't want it at all, especially if it's going to activate intermittently on some bumpy road somewhere. 

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2011, 04:42:52 AM »
I grew up with out safety switches. 
 Forgetting to put the stand up when taking off or down when parking resulted in a lesson learned,,,,once. ;)
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 04:52:50 AM »
I've never owned a motorcycle that had a safety sidestand switch, or a clutch safety .

I have never forgot to put the side stand up ...yet either.
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2011, 05:01:17 AM »
I didn't mind my old Yamaha's switch which would shut off the engine when it was put in gear with the sidestand down

My Ducati was the same and I thought it a good idea.  This way you can warm it up on the sidestand but still won't ride away with it down.

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2011, 12:31:24 PM »
I grew up with out safety switches. 
 Forgetting to put the stand up when taking off or down when parking resulted in a lesson learned,,,,once. ;)

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2011, 05:05:32 PM »
     Sometimes I feel like everybody out there now is suffocating by being buried in "safety switches" in all aspects of life. Kids are afraid of EVerything nowadays 'cause the government & the schools & their parents tell them to be. I survived my whole life with my safety switches almost all internal to my brain & the first thing that came off the Enfield was that that silly kickstand switch. Next was the headlight jumper. I'm not disturbed by the clutch switch (yet). I don't use the electric start.   
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2011, 09:19:27 PM »
Glad its not just me - never had a bike with one and pretty hard to drive with it down - now if it folded up the other way it might make a mess  ???

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2011, 09:30:59 PM »
 Disconnect the lawyers and the world would be a much better place.

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2011, 01:16:30 AM »
Harley's patented Jiffy Stand will retract itself if you ride off with it down but is locked in place weight on the stand. Japanese bikes used to come with a rubber strip pointed at the ground that would drag and retract the stand.

After disconnecting the switch I rode off with mine down. I had parked on the side stand but put it on the center stand for fueling. I reconnected the switch after that. Probably would never do that again but I might.

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2011, 01:25:11 AM »
I've left with my aftermarket side stand down..no big deal as the scraping sound tells it all...probably did it three times over a 4 year period...it's that moment when u say, what the hell was i thinking...if anything its more embarrassing if someone was watching....
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2011, 02:36:04 PM »
Some of the Ducati super bikes have a side stand that retracts as soon as you tilt the bike up.  Great for riding safety, not so great for the parking lot browser casually sitting on bikes when he goes to put it back.  There's a nice aftermarket eliminator for this.

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2011, 06:55:45 PM »
I had a Ducati 900SS that got that alternare spring mounting attachment as soon as I got the bike, caused by a much earlier experience with a Bultaco Matador with the handy spring loaded side stand. I went into a gas station and as I got a bit close to the pump, I shoved the side stand down, but had to get off on the right. As I did that, I pulled the bike up a bit, then let go of it so it would drop back onto the side stand. It dropped into the pump! Fortunately, no damage, other than to my ego. Don't like those spring loaded things. Also had a Yamaha Fazer that the side stand switch would cut out, especially coming off a stop light when you were about half way across the street. I found the just a little kick on the side stand would reset it. I finally cleaned it with some contact cleaner and never had any more problems with it.  And I have forgotten to put the stand up on a few occasions in the last 50 years. A loud scraping noise joins with a bit of an embarrassing wobble. My issue with the Bullet side stand is that it's too short and lets the bike lean over too far. I tried to find one of the adjustable ones, but they are apparently amongst the unobanium bits, so I guess it will be off to the hacksaw and welding torch. Or I'll just live with it.
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2011, 07:45:12 PM »
It does lean a fair bit but it's not unstable.

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2011, 08:11:51 PM »
I dropped my bike 2" and it leans just about right !! ;D
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2011, 09:55:56 PM »
A swift wack on the side of the head with a tire iron? 
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2011, 12:03:40 AM »
I removed the two Allen head screws at the side stand to pull off the switch last month......took all of one minute.....one less thing to troubleshoot in the future!
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2011, 03:53:00 PM »
I removed my side stand switch about 8000 miles ago.

Just out of curiosity I sat on a Harley in a dealers a while back, not realising that the side stand would automatically retract itself. Having amused myself for a couple of minutes I started to get off the bike only to have the wee  beastie fall over and nearly break my leg.

I managed to recover the situation without anyone noticing. ;D

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2011, 04:27:45 PM »
Whats next? A motorcycle that parks itself?
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2011, 06:13:52 PM »
I did the same thing at the BMW dealer. Dropped it on the floor! The dealer simply smiled and pointed out how effective the engine guards are.

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2011, 08:03:19 PM »
Officially disengaged today.  The side stand switch not me.  8)
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2013, 09:42:57 AM »
Has anyone bypassed the cut-off on the side stand. Pretty hard to stop and kick down the stand and not shut off the motor but SOMETIMES it may be nice to be able to start the bike with it down - kick for example ::"" :-\

I couldn't agree more! Had the bike just two days and the only thing that really bugs me is this stupid switch! I really want to be able to kick start it and I always did my old Bonnie on the side stand!
I am more worried that I'll start it up and while letting it warm up, go to put it back on the side stand that won't be there!! I will be disconnecting it very shortly!

In 31 years of riding I think I've ridden off once with it down and got shouted at that it was. Didn't catch in the ground so got away with it. If it was like the new Triumph's and cut out if you put it in gear with it down, then that would be fine but no start in neutral?!? Just daft!  ::)
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2013, 04:45:53 PM »
I'm disconnecting that switch (having read here somewhere of a rider's bike cutting out because of it WHILE he was riding) - but fact is I never use the sidestand. Always the center stand. Looks so much nicer - though I think I don't quite have the weight/balance technique down to park it smoothly.
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2013, 07:34:59 PM »
My bike would actually start and idle with the side stand down and leaning on it, but when you take the weight off, it would quit! I usually just parked it on the center stand and it ran fine from there.
I have seen guys crash when taking off with the side stand down. I've had some dicey moments in the old days before the switches were used.
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2013, 04:18:44 AM »
I've been way too lazy to get in there and find the wires, but if I ever get around to it I'll post up the wiring diagram...

I plan on using a relay to simulate the opening/closing of the switch in the 'sidestand up' position by triggering it with the neutral indicator feed wire. That way you could put the stand down IF the bike was in neutral, but if you put it in gear (thus turning the neutral light off) it would trip the relay and kill the engine. Just like most other modern bikes. Eventually I'll get around to it....I hope.  I've gotten pretty lazy in my middle-age
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2013, 04:58:19 AM »
I rode every day for years on my last bike, and never had a problem with taking off with the stand down. it's just something you train your muscles to do without thinking.
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2013, 05:11:10 AM »
+1

That's what I'm saying.  One scary left turn will make you TRIPLE check your side stand before every trip.

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2013, 06:16:57 AM »
+1

That's what I'm saying.  One scary left turn will make you TRIPLE check your side stand before every trip.

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2013, 05:47:04 PM »
For my 2010 G5 Deluxe (with the 19" Wheels) the stock stand was to short making it lean too far over. I also don't like Side Stand Switches, so both had to go. I found an old Kawasaki Stand on Ebay, & made it fit perfectly.
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2013, 05:58:03 PM »
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I dropped my bike 2" and it leans just about right !! ;D

Shouldn't it lean just about left?  ;)
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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2013, 12:30:23 AM »
I've used the ground to kick up my side stand on various bikes over the years, never was really and issue.  My Honda with a safety switch pretty much trained that out of me.

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Re: By-pass stop switch on side stand.
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2013, 05:40:33 AM »
My side stand switch acted up a couple of times - needing an extra nudge for the switch to break continuity and the engine fire up. Out of interest I dismantled the switch and found that the spring-loaded metal plunger that is actuated by the side stand passes through the switch body was bone-dry, with no lube.  a small smear of lithium grease did the trick, and the switch works smoothly now.

The switch plunger has a neoprene dust cover round it, to keep grease in and crap out.  Perhaps just add the switch to the list of things on the enfield that need checked, cleaned and lube'd on a regular basis? It isn't a big deal.

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