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Author Topic: The shift from 3rd to 4th  (Read 1134 times)

Dallastheologian

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The shift from 3rd to 4th
« on: June 28, 2011, 01:11:52 AM »
I've got 50 miles on my new B5 and the only thing I find tough is the shift from 3rd to 4th. It seems like I end up in neutral more often than not and then when I go to shift up I am magically in 5th :o. I think this has been addressed on the board before but any advice because this is my first bike and I don't want to be doing damage to it or the transmission.

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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2011, 01:20:10 AM »
Not uncommon with a new machine.

 Until it is broken in, to minimize false neutrals I would recommend holding upward on the shift lever till after the clutch lever is completely released.

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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 01:31:24 AM »
Good, I wanted to make sure I wasn't destroying the transmission.

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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2011, 01:59:35 AM »
Tough to do.
 IMHO these transmissions are of rugged simplicity with just the right amount of technical sophistication. Overbuilt for the task at hand in my estimation. Come to think of it I have never heard of one breaking,,ever.
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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2011, 02:34:32 AM »
Yep there are a few threads around discussing this...

It will get better as you and the bike learn to ride in harmony :)

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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2011, 02:37:52 AM »
This problem is 99.9% technique. You must shift positively and fully. They have a fairly long throw. We have had several complaints about this and in each and every case where we got the chance to ride the bike we could not make it mis-shift. We also put the same customers on known to be good shifting  bikes and they missed the same shifts. We also have found a high number of these customers are using new boots or other footwear that does not allow them to feel the shift. You cannot do any damage to the transmission and yes we are not aware of any breaking. We have had the occasional shift fork replacement but never the transmission as such. Ice has pretty good advice and be careful that your clutch is adjusted correctly. Other than that make sure you can feel your shifts and have fun

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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2011, 03:55:55 AM »
DallasT:

Here is a good discussion in this link on techniques for shifting gears in new bikes, that tend to go into false neutral between gears -

Pull the clutch lever ALL the way in.
Shift gear up ALL the way up
Keep the gear lever lifted UP and while holding it up, release the clutch.
Then let go of gear lever.

http://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/forum/index.php/topic,10578.0/all.html
« Last Edit: June 28, 2011, 04:02:26 AM by singhg5 »
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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2011, 05:34:13 AM »
Hi all,

I know there has been alot of discussion on this one. I just want to put down my thoughts. I find on my C5, if I shift by fully levering up from 3rd to 4th, more often than not, it goes into neutral, the neutral I suspect between 4th and 5th. If I gently tap down by half, it goes into 4th.

What I find works best and always results in good shifts into 4th is to;

1) Pull clutch fully in,
2) Lever up with your foot, but stop as soon as you feel (on your boot) and hear it go into 4th gear.
3) Release clutch.

I find you don't have to lever up fully to the end of the shift levers travel to get it into 4th.

Btw, 4th gear is the only where I've had trouble getting into.

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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2011, 01:49:43 PM »
If the shifting is still tough after some time, make use of the possibility to adjust the footpeg as well as the shift lever. Bigfoots need room  ;D
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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2011, 02:12:54 PM »
Mine used to miss that one rather regularly. I always attributed it to the fact that it seemed like a longer throw than the rest and I never quite pulled the shift lever up far enough. It improved considerably as the miles went on. I rarely miss it any more.
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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2011, 03:53:44 PM »
I've been riding my AVL for about six months now and I still miss-shift at least once a ride.  It's 100% operator error though, and I think even someone coming from a crotch rocket with 'snick, snick' performance shifting would find it hard to get the feel of these bikes.  It's the quirkiness that makes them great, and when the rider and the bike's personality match up that's when the magic happens  8)

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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2011, 04:12:28 PM »
I was having a lot of problems shifting with my new C5
I tried all the suggestions here on the forum and they did help but last friday going home from work I missed almost every shift
my bike is due for its first service in 150km but I decided to do a quick and dirty oil change on Sat.
I used regular oil as thats what the dealer said was in it. it will get full synthetic when it gets serviced
but man what a difference in the shifting, I took it out for an hours ride and only had 2 missed shifts which I attribute to my error, I only had one coming to work this morning
there have been a lot of recommendations on here to change your oil before the first service and I heartily agree!
I can't wait till she gets full synth in.
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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2011, 04:58:13 PM »
I've got over 6000 miles and hit false neutrals here more than anywhere else, of course I'm usually being lazy with the shift lever ;) 

Proper technique should get you along.  Check your clutch adjustment, it's in the owner's manual and easy to set.  Also, preload the shift lever with a little pressuse before you pull in the clutch.  It helps a lot.

It should get better as you break in and get some more oil changes done.

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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2011, 08:05:24 PM »
I find i hit false neutrals on the down shift never on the upshift.

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Re: The shift from 3rd to 4th
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2011, 08:19:16 PM »
false neutral on the down shift before entering a curve can get a bit hairy....keep your hands on the brake there fellow.. ;D
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