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Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« on: July 28, 2011, 08:10:14 PM »
OK.  I'm stumped.

I bought some aftermarket "Chrome Visors"  to put on the front of my UCE G5 to replace the front turn signals.

These visors use the screw threads to ground them so they only have one wire coming out of the center of the attachment screw.  This is the "hot" wire that goes to the center of the bulb.

Knowing that the frame of the bike isn't always the best ground I made up a steel washer for each visor with a ground wire soldered onto it.

I cut the existing wires to the right front turn signal and removed it.  This left me with two wires, one black (ground) and one black / green (power).

I put the visor into the mounting hole, slid the new grounding washer, the lock washer and the nut  over the center wire and tightened the nut on the lights screw.

I then stripped the insulation off of the harness's two wires and attached the black/green wire to the center wire from the light and the black wire to the wire from my newly made washer so that essentially the existing wires are hooked up to the light bulb just as they were before.

I started the bike and pushed the right turn button and......nothing.  The front and rear turn signals did not light at all.
Just to make sure things were kinda working I tested the left hand signal and it worked like it should.

I then used my volt/ ohm meter to check to see if the new light was grounded holding one test lead on the engine and one on the lights housing.  The resistance was 0 ohms indicating a good ground.

Figuring that the bulbs might be different (they were), I put the old turn signals 10 watt bulb into the new light replacing its 8 watt bulb.  Still nothing.

I then checked the resistance between the bare black/green wire which was twisted onto the lights center (power) wire to the lights housing.  The reading was 4 ohms resistance which indicates to me there is a continuous circuit from the black/green (power) wire thru the bulbs filament  and to ground.

Not being one to learn from my mistakes I repeated this with the left side the only difference being that the power supply on the left is a black/white wire.  Again, on the left side with the left turn signal turned on.....nothing.

When I say nothing, that includes the rear signals and the turn signal indicator on the speedometer not blinking.

Any ideas as to what I did wrong?  ??? ???
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2011, 10:08:01 PM »
I forgot to mention the "chrome visors" are the all metal bullet shaped lights that are sold by our host.
http://nfieldgear.com/enfield-store/aftermarket-parts-accessories/electrical/chrome-visor.html
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2011, 11:38:27 PM »
curious ...

If you disconnect the new indicator from the bike so its only powered by the original two wires with no connection to the bike frame does it now work ?

What happens if you remove the new indicator completely from the bike and just stick 12 volts across it ?

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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2011, 02:36:38 AM »
Yes.  The new indicator lights fine when I attach it to a 12 V  battery I have in my workroom.

More things I did.
First I checked all of the fuses.  All of them were good.

Next I tested the voltage going to the flasher unit (red/white) and got 12.6 volts when the key was turned on.  The downstream terminal (white) showed no voltage so I figured that I had somehow screwed it up.

To run the test that GlennF asked about I disconnected the new left light and tested it.  As mentioned, it was fine.

Figuring what the H.  I've got it off so I guess I will reinstall the old unit.  To do this I had to take it apart and solder about 2 inches of extra wire to both of its cut off wires.  By the way, there's nothing magic inside there.  Just a socket and the two wires.
After reassembling it I put it back on the bike.

I turned on the key and poked the left turn button.  BLINK---BLINK---BLINK...  :o

I'll be damned if I can figure out how the same circuits within the light can cause two different reactions but it did.

Armed with this bit of success I replaced the right side indicator with the old one and sure enough, BLINK- BLINK- BLINK......  :o

That told me the turn signal flasher unit wasn't burned out like I thought.
It also taught me that my Royal Enfield has a mind of its own.

It wanted those indicators that stick out like a sore thumb and that was the end of the conversation.   I'll be real careful what I say around it from now on.  :D

In the meantime, if anyone has any theories about why the new lights didn't work but the old ones do I will be more than happy to hear them. :)

I don't know if you folks can get  a good copy from this picture but it is the UCE wiring diagram and I've added some colors to the wires to help the user follow them.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2011, 02:50:20 AM by Arizoni »
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2011, 03:35:40 AM »
Just out of curiosity. When the new front indicators were installed, did the rear still work or did both the front and the back stop flashing ?

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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 04:24:56 AM »
With the new lights installed, the rear lights did not wink at all.  Neither did the turn signal indicator in the speedometer.

The best  idea I can come up with is that the turn signal lights and their socket appear to be standard bulb sockets but they are not.

The OEM flasher unit is not the typical flasher with the little metal strip inside it that goes "click, click, click, when the signal is working.   That kind of flasher, I understand.
The little black flasher that comes on the RE is a solid state device with no moving or clicking parts.   That I am sure of.

 That might mean there is some tiny piece of solid state hardware inside the turn indicators bulb socket that tells the flasher to get off if's butt and start sending pulses of real power to light the bulb.
The new light of course didn't have any solid state hardware inside of its bulb socket so it didn't send a message to the flasher so the flasher didn't do anything.  It just sit there waiting for a message that didn't come.

At least that's my theory and I'm sticking to it.  :D

If my theory is right, replacing the OEM flasher unit with the old style metal strip flasher would get the indicator working with my replacement lights.
For right now, I'm happy I got the thing working again and maybe sometime in the future when I tire of pounding my thumb with a hammer I may buy an old time flasher and try installing the new lights again.  :-\
« Last Edit: July 29, 2011, 04:30:50 AM by Arizoni »
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 05:20:44 AM »
You are most probably correct about the old style flasher working.

The reason I was asking about whether all the lights stop at once is there is an old thread on here somewhere about using LED indicators and they discussed a similar problem.

It would seem the standard flasher box is very finicky about how much current is needed to trigger the flash circuits.

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 06:16:47 AM »
Yes, I've read those posts.
That is why I changed the 8 watt bulbs in the new lights for the 10 watt bulbs in the old lights.

It turns out that when I reinstalled the "old lights" I left the 8 watt bulbs in them and they still worked.

Those LED bulbs only draw 1 or 2 watts of power and the people who install them do have a problem getting the OEM flasher to work probably because the current draw is so low.

Thanks for taking the time to give your suggestions and questions.
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2011, 05:32:49 PM »
Sounds like you are over-thinking this. Since I have never been accused of that, what I would do is install the signal. Then with a test light, not a meter, see if there is juice in the socket. If there is, then you have a grounding issue. Make sure the clip of the test light is grounded to the frame of the bike. Also, do this one signal at a time. Do the front on one side, see if it works, then the back. I got mine from ebay but I suspect they are the same ones. Some flashers don't work with LEs but incandescent lights should cause it to flash.

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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2011, 10:12:30 PM »
Thanks for the thoughts.
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2011, 08:31:05 AM »
The problem would seem to revolve around the flasher unit. Think of it as an automatic switch. When you turn on a turn signal, current flows through the flasher unit. The current causes a bi-metalic strip to ben with the heat caused by the current flow. When the strip bends, it breaks the circuit. As it cools down, it reverts to its straight shape and the cycle starts again. The amount of current (therefore, the wattage of the bulbs) determine the current flow.

The flasher unit has to be matched to the bulb wattage (front bulb + back bulb + indicator bulb). The flasher rating is usually marked on the side.

In reality, modern flasher achieve this with electronics but most are still wattsage dependent.

Connect the signals and pull the flasher unit. Shorting the two wires will light the selected signal as long as you have the short in place. This will prove your circitry and soldering skills.

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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2011, 11:10:26 PM »
Thanks for the reply.

As I'm sure you know, the flasher unit is not the typical "tin can" style that has the thermal strip in it.  It is a small rectangular sealed device with two terminals, the power in terminal and the pulsed output terminal.

With the "new" lights installed, bypassing the flasher unit by "shorting" from the power terminal to the light  terminal lights both the front and rear light in a continuous glow. 
The flasher, when plugged in refuses to recognize the existence of the new lights and does not cause them to light or flash.  This includes the rear lights which are still the original lights.

After replacing the original front lights by attaching them to the same wiring that the "new" non working lights were just attached to causes the flasher to operate normally.
This is why I suspect that the bases for the lights in the original lights must have some circuitry in them that the flasher unit recognizes and which it needs to work.

I understand that if the bulbs are replaced with LED style bulbs the wattage is too low to cause the flasher unit to function unless a resister is installed to provide a sufficient "load".  In other words, to make the power requirement equal to the 20 watts (10 watts front + 10 watts rear) that the original system needs.

In this case I did not replace the bulbs with LED lights. 
I find it hard to convince myself that I need to spend $50+ for a few turn signal light bulbs.
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2011, 11:16:05 PM »
I am thinking the bulb wattage is a red herring and the fault is more likely a grounding issues as stated above.

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2011, 11:09:15 PM »
The flasher, when plugged in refuses to recognize the existence of the new lights and does not cause them to light or flash.  This includes the rear lights which are still the original lights.

After replacing the original front lights by attaching them to the same wiring that the "new" non working lights were just attached to causes the flasher to operate normally.

This is why I suspect that the bases for the lights in the original lights must have some circuitry in them that the flasher unit recognizes and which it needs to work.

Jim:

This has been a very interesting thread because you have done such a thorough systematic investigation of why "new" turn signals (chrome visors) are not working.

Do you have access to any other lights that you can test - may be borrow from someone or get a cheap one from auto store and see if they work with OEM RE flasher ? How about replacing the flasher with non-RE flasher with different specifications ? The chrome visor is in contact with frame through metal washer as well as washer is connected to black wire. To simulate the OEM turn signal as close as possible, may be add a non-conducting washer between metal washer and frame - so that chrome visor is completely ground through black wire only and not the frame.

I had a conversation with a very experienced auto mechanic.  He said the flasher is not working because OEM turn signal resistance is different from the chrome visor lights. But you had mentioned that you did change the bulbs and tried with both 8 & 10 watt bulbs in both OEM and chrome visors - and still the chrome visor did not work.
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2011, 07:18:55 PM »
Well,  before you put to much work into it I would just go buy a new variable load flasher from NAPA or some such and see if that fixes the problem.  About $7 and my guess would be better than the stock on anyway.
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2011, 08:07:07 AM »
With the "new" lights installed, bypassing the flasher unit by "shorting" from the power terminal to the light  terminal lights both the front and rear light in a continuous glow. 

This proves that the lights are not the problem. I suspect that the wattage of the new fron lights is not the same as the old lights. A variable flasher unit would solve your problems.

Can you confirm that the new bulbs are the same wattage as the old ones?
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2011, 11:35:33 PM »
Can you confirm that the new bulbs are the same wattage as the old ones?
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The original bulbs in the original lights were 10 watt.
The bulbs in the new lights were 8 watt.

After I first installed the new lights and found that they didn't work, the first thing I did was to replace the 8 watt bulbs with the 10 watt bulbs out of the old original lights.
This made no difference.  The old 10 watt bulbs in the new light housings still didn't  turn on.  Both the 8 and 10 watt bulbs have the same base.

After finding that the lights wouldn't work, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I replaced the new light housings with the old housings (but these housings now had the 8 watt bulbs installed rather than the original 10 watt bulbs).
  The old housings with the new 8 watt bulbs work fine.

This is what leads me to believe there must be some sort of circuitry in the original lights lamp base that is recognized by the solid state flasher unit.
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2011, 07:29:06 PM »
OK !!!

I've solved the problem with the non-working aftermarket turn signals. :)

As I had mentioned above, each of the factory front turn signals are connected with two wires.  One black and one black with a stripe.

The new aftermarket turn signals have one wire coming out of the threaded stud and it is connected to the center terminal of the light bulb.  The case of  these lights is the ground, and I made a washer with a wire connected to it to assure that the new lights ground would be hooked up to the harness wires.

The mistake I made was to assume that the wiring harness BLACK wire was the ground wire and the striped wire was the power supply.  WRONG!
At least on my G5, it is not.

 I disconnected the front factory light on the left side and with my Volt/Ohm meter in hand, I turned on the ignition and the left turn signal.
The striped wire showed nothing but the BLACK  wire was receiving a pulsing current when tested with the meters other probe touching my engine.

Connecting the black wire to the wire coming out of the new lights threaded stud and touching the striped wire to the new lights case the light blinked merrily.

Without getting into any guessing about why, because your bikes wiring might be different than mine, my suggestion to anyone installing these new replacement lights is to turn on your ignition and set the turn signal button so it supplies power to that side of the bikes turn signal.

Then, holding the case of the light against a ground, first touch the harnesses black wire to the new lights wire.  If the light starts blinking, you will know you've found the power supply so you will know how to hook up the light.

Oh, the reason I got back into this was I was at the local weekly car show and a guy was admiring my RE.  He then said, "Too bad they put Honda turn signals on it.  They don't look right."

THAT WAS THE DEATH KNELL FOR THE OLD LIGHTS! :)
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2011, 08:52:07 PM »
Arizoni,

Will you post a pic of the new lights installed????

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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2011, 09:55:57 PM »
I posted it in the What did you do to your UCE today but it wouldn't hurt to put the picture here too (I hope). :)
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2011, 10:02:43 PM »
Definitely looks more appropriate.

I saw these when I was looking at the other ones.

I bet these would look really sweet on the C5

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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2011, 02:08:40 AM »
OK !!!

I've solved the problem with the non-working aftermarket turn signals. :)

The mistake I made was to assume that the wiring harness BLACK wire was the ground wire and the striped wire was the power supply.  WRONG!
At least on my G5, it is not.


Connecting the black wire to the wire coming out of the new lights threaded stud and touching the striped wire to the new lights case the light blinked merrily.

Jim:

I am glad to hear that you have solved this 'mysterious' problem - another one of Enfieldish quirks - must feel soooo gooood  :D !  Good picture too.
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2011, 05:19:11 PM »
Jim,

The new traffickers look much better than the old ones.  I got the same ones from Enfield Gear but was a little confused about how to wire them.  Maybe now I will  "go for it".  Did you use the existing L brackets to mount them?  Have you changed the rear traffickers?

Thanks for the detailed write up and picture.

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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2011, 12:25:28 AM »
Yes and No.

Yes, I just used the existing front brackets and bolted the new lights in place.
That's why they are tucked in so close to the front forks.

I haven't done the rear yet. 
I'm studying it.

Adding to the rear lights problem is I want to keep the chrome luggage rack I have.
That large flat plate the existing tail light and license plate are attached to is so large that it would cover up the new lights if I just attached them directly to the sides of the support like the existing lights do.

The hard rubber extensions that the factory lights have has a hollow metal tube running thru it.
The outer end is threaded.  The nut that holds the light in place screws onto this thread.
The inner end of the hollow tube also has a hex nut which holds the chrome light shell in place and it looks like a simple twist of a box wrench would loosen it.  That would leave the hard rubber extension with essentially a male thread at each end.
Because the new lights come with a male thread I guess I could make a simple sheet metal plate with two holes in it and screw the plate to the rubber extension and the light to the plate but that would leave two large exposed hex nuts hanging out there in the wind and IMO it would look pretty crummy.

My other thought is to make a Z shaped sheet metal bracket.
One leg would be screwed to the side of the housing with two sheet metal screws and the new lights male thread would be attached thru the outer end of the Z.

I'm not happy with this second idea but it would work.  I guess I'll keep on thinking for a while.
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2011, 01:12:44 AM »
I replaced the DOT turn signals on the rear of my G5 with the small chrome plated metal style like the ones I installed on the front.

I was going to mount them on angle iron brackets but while talking to partsman, he informed me the turn signal brackets that RE uses to mount the front signals are available for less than I would have to pay for the angle iron so I went with these.

It turns out the brackets they sent are bent at rather odd angles but a quick trip to my bench vise and a few whacks with a hammer and they became nice U shaped brackets (with the bottom of the U flat).

Removing the large plate that holds the license plate I found the interior quite roomy so it was easy to disconnect the electrical connectors after marking a piece of masking tape R for right and L for left and taping it to each branch of the wires.

Because of the luggage rack, I couldn't use the holes that the old turn signals used but after moving one of them around I found a nice new home for it, slightly lower than it would have been.
I decided to use a standard 1/4-20 bolt, nut and washer to bolt the slotted end to the rear housing so after figuring out where the hole should be I drilled the mounting holes with a 9/32 inch drill bit.

Because there are several painted surfaces between the new lights and the frame of the bike I soldered a wire to each of the two 5/16" washers to mount the lights.  This gives me the one wire from the light for power and one wire to ground the lights housing.

I taped the two wires from each light together with electrical tape (just like the Indians do on the main wiring harness)  ;D.

I bought two 1/2" rubber grommets so I could route the signals wires thru the old hole in the rear housing without fearing that the sharp edges would cut thru the wires.  These grommets didn't fit real tightly so I bonded them in place using some Silicone rubber RTV.

Getting to the wiring, the old lights were connected with a two wire harness connector.  I didn't want to get into recreating the wiring interface so I just cut off a length of the wires on the old lights so I could re-use their ends.

Speaking of the old wires, the wiring diagram says the striped wire is the power and the black wire is the ground.
I found that the striped wire on the wiring harness up to the plastic connector was indeed the power supply just like the diagram said it should be.  The wires from the light however had the solid black wire connecting to the wirings striped power wire and the striped wire from the light was connected to the harness's black ground wire.  I think this is what screwed me up when I was working with the front lights.  They also reversed their wire color up to the plug in.

Anyway, before hooking up the wires I plugged the short cut off wire from the old light into the harness, turned on the ignition key and the turn signal.
Using a volt/ohm meter sure enough, the short solid black wire was the power supply so I attached it to the new lights power supply wire.
I then attached the wire from the washer to the striped wire and the light started blinking merrily.
This connection I secured with an insulated wire nut.  The kind that screws onto the twisted wires ends.

Although the old tail light bulb was working fine I figured that while I was in there I might as well replace the tail light/stop light bulb with a new Sylvania I had bought.

After buttoning things up I think the appearance looks much better and no longer will I have to hear, "How come did they put Honda turn signals on your Royal Enfield?"

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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2013, 07:52:28 PM »
I just added some eBay bullet style turn signals to the rear of my 2012 Enfield and wanted to share how i did it. I have a classic with the double seat.

I bought the front turn signal brackets for like under $10 shipped. Then, intent on using the license plate screw hole to hold the bracket, I drilled a second mounting hole so the bracket would line up flush with the edge of the black license plate holder box thing. I then had to cut the end of the bracket a bit shorter so I could the license plate holder backplate back onto the bike. I just ran the wires through the same hole. They're visible, but they look OK, i mean, there are wirings hanging on other parts of the bike.

Wiring was easy since I bought turn signals with two wires. I also chose black ones instead of chrome so they would disappear more with the bike.  Bear in mind, I had to wire the backwards to what I did on the front. The solid black wire is ground and the striped wire is positive. If you do it the other way around, it wont work when you put the cover back on and you'll get sparking at the screws.

If you can handle buying $10 work of parts, driller two holes and cutting off the ends of two brackets, I think this is the easiest and most OEM looking way to add smaller rear turn signals to your bike. I may consider driller new holes for the wires directly across from the turn signals. Then I could plug the old holes with a hole plug, and it may look cleaner.

I'll try to post pics.

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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2013, 08:01:22 PM »


Here you can see what the unmodified bracket would look like on the right, and the new, shorter, flush mounted bracket on the left. When it's longer it needs to be spaced out and it's really hard to tighten it down properly. The modified bracket works really well and is solid.



Here's the bracket on the bike. You can see how easy it will be to add the new turn signals now.
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2013, 01:40:15 PM »
I finally installed the bullet indicators on the front - got nailed by the polarity problem, even though I checked the wiring!  I tested it by using the "continuity check" setting of my VOM, which beeps when continuity = yes.  Well, I think my meter battery is low; anyway, my meter told me that the ground wire was in fact connected to the chassis ground, so I merrily went ahead and wired up the signals.  Worked fine, until I bolted them on the bike - nope, they don't work.  Checked again with my meter, it shows signal-to-chassis continuity to both wires!  The lights work, as long as the housings are not bolted to the bike.  Obviously, something is amiss with my meter.

I really don't want to rewire the signal, so the question is - is it easy to switch the wires in the connector behind the headlight?  Is there a trick to simply popping the crimped connectors out of the plastic housing and re-inserting them?


EDIT: Got 'em.  There are little plastic tabs which hold the crimp connectors in the housing.  A simple pry with a tiny flat screwdriver and they pop right out.  Switched them, and now I'm good to go!  Except for my meter, of course!
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2013, 05:35:55 PM »
Guess I got lucky. The striped wires are power leads and black ones are ground, as one should expect. Placed a 1/4" grommet on each of the signal power leads where they exit the mounting stud and forced into the tube to prevent chaffing, and decided not to order the modified mounting brackets from NFG for the rear signals (shipping would exceed the purchase price).
The Dog House has a slight widening near the top, and mounting the new signals ( PN Z90457) higher and slightly forward allowed them to clear the bevels at the top of the license mounting plate easily. The unsightly holes left by the OEM signals are plugged/covered with black cap plugs from a local hardware supply.




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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2013, 01:05:18 AM »
Cool!  I'd like to see a photo of the bike from directly behind - got one handy?

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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2013, 01:17:30 AM »
Here ya go.

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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2013, 01:31:20 AM »
Nice, thanks!

Where did you get these things with 2" stems?  I bought some a year ago from NFG, and they didn't have any but the ones without stems...

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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2013, 01:46:58 AM »
They're in the NFG catalog, Page 115, center, item # Z90457, Amber, 2 inch stem. The photo shows the one with the 2" stem, $15.75 each.
The NFG site lists only the short-stemmed unit, so it's best to order them on the phone.
I ordered 4ea. and the two front units clear the forks nicely when mounted in the factory brackets.
IF you decide to use brackets NFG has pre-modified brackets for $3.98 ea +shipping. I didn't write down the part #, but Tim or Gary are most helpful, so whichever way you go, give 'em a call.
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2013, 09:59:10 AM »
Ohhhh, yeah - the print catalog... I remember now.  They didn't have them when I was shopping.  Maybe I'll look into getting a pair for the rear, since I still haven't sorted that back end lighting out yet...

Thanks!

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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2013, 05:34:04 PM »
the best deals on short stemmed taillights come from Cycle Gear, about $17.00 a pair with a variety of shapes to choose from.
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2013, 12:05:28 AM »
...dipping back into the archives for that pic - huh, Bare?  ;)

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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2013, 05:56:03 PM »
I've got lots of pics! Unfortunately, that's about all that's left.
I did put the same turn signals on the Goose, though
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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2013, 10:06:37 AM »
I've got lots of pics! Unfortunately, that's about all that's left.

Yeah...  I'm sorry I mentioned it.   :-[

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Re: Trafficators (Turn Signals)
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2013, 04:45:31 PM »
I've got lots of pics! Unfortunately, that's about all that's left.
I did put the same turn signals on the Goose, though
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            After all this latest tail/brake/license bracket & directional blinker light work that I just finished I still don't like it even though it "looks" good. I think the next time I reeely have nothing better to do I'm going to switch to an even smaller blinker light like in your picture & THIS time I will paint any visible chrome black to make them "disappear" more.

           I would remove them totally, but there will come a day when I can no longer ride at all & it would NOT be a selling point in today's "safety delirious" world to tell a buyer he had to go home first & install blinker lights.     
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