It'll be a few years for U.S. models, according to every source I've heard. I truly hope they don't try to sell this 7/8 scale sportster here: The U.S. DOES NOT need another cruiser looking bike, IMHO. Please, RE, don't ruin our 'vintage' bikes! I hope they just add the improved engines into the existing styling.
I have seen a bike that they plan on releasing perhaps in 2009 that is better looking than the current classic.
think G model
Fuel injection is great, if you don't mind going to a dealer to get things fixed. Carburetters are much easier. The fuel delivery, and usually the mileage of FI is to be desired, but the trade off in ease of maintenance may well be too much for many of us. I have a FI bike.. I don't think I want another. I have an old fuel injected truck that hasn't run right for 10 years.. I can do nothing with it.
It almost seems like a non sequitur to put EFI on a Royal Enfield. But that was also said about electronic ignition. Oh, let's not forgot the electric starter.
Quote from: prof_stack on August 01, 2007, 02:25:43 AMIt almost seems like a non sequitur to put EFI on a Royal Enfield. But that was also said about electronic ignition. Oh, let's not forgot the electric starter. The only way I would buy a Electra is if it can be converted back to points. I have had nothing but bad luck with electronic ignition on cars and bikes. Now that I know you can't put points on an Electra, I won't be buying one. One lost sale. I will stick with my Classic and 67 RE Interceptor. I changed every car and truck back to point distributor except the gas guzzling Sonoma I now own. I just finished up a Triumph chopper to sell and went with the Boyer electronic ignition, lasted 2 months. It now has a dependable Joe Hunt mag with points, no problem. Every bike I had with hydraulic lifters has been changed to solids for better performance. I won;t own a bike with EFI with the luck I have had. These so called improvements are just a way for you to take it back to the dealer and for people who don't want to get their hands dirty. I myself enjoy working on and tweeking my bike, that is called getting in tune with your machine. I like things I can fix on the side of the road, since any vehicle tends to NOT break in the garage. Kickstarts are sure nice when your battery is low. The relationship of a rider and a bike should be the same as a husband and wife. It takes just a little attention now and then to really keep things working. How long would a marriage last if you rode her hard and ignored her the rest of the time? I don't ride bikes, I love bikes, and that takes work. The reason I bought a RE in the first place is because they hadn't messed them up with all this new garbage that breaks and leaves you stranded. I guess the slogan 'Untainted by Technolgy" just went out the window. That is sad to say the least. Hutch
I think some old timers (and I am one), like the hands-on experience of fiddling with carbs.
I have had WAY more hassle with Electronic ignition, than I have with points. I can change points, and troubleshoot the system pretty well, but have rarely had to. Two electronic ignitions I have had, were not so kind.
Sigh...... [pounds head against wall] You won't need one.
There is virtually no market for points ignitions - and there is a reason for that.Matt
Hutch, it appears you are the poster boy for bad karma! In 20 years with 2 Harleys I never had a problem with ignitions or belt drive. The Electra-Glide belt had a rock imbedded in it and the dealer for years said not to worry about it. I didn't. As for being stranded on the road, that's a pain but very rare. Towing insurance is cheap. Barring that, a pickup truck works nicely. However, I do admire your do-it-yourself approach to the RE.
I totally disagree. EFI is so much simpler than carb tuning that you can't even compare the two in the same breath. It is a common misconception that you have to re-map the computer when you change something. That is flat wrong. An EFI system is engineered to keep the engine running at optimum fuel / air ratio regardless of atmospheric conditions. Therefore if you do things like changing out an air filter or add a performance exhaust, the EFI system automatically compensates and keeps the A/F ratio within a set range at all throttle positions and under varying loads. A carburettor simply can't do that. A carb is at best a compromise, it can never constantly adjust itself like EFI can. The reason that many people re-map their EFI system's VE (Volumetric Efficiency) tables is to remove lean running under certain conditions that are put in place for emmisions reasons. Most have been sold a bill of goods, that they need these piggy-back boxes to adjust the system for the pipes they have installed. To a very small extent, that's true. But only with regard to absolute peak performance across throttle position and loads. For 99.9% of street riding the stock maps will work just fine, regardless of which pipe has been installed.For me, even if I have to hook up a lap top to my system and take 15 or so seconds to download a new map, that sure beats the crap out of busting out the tools and rejetting a carb (or multiple carbs), where you're looking at an hour minimum, and you'd better hope you guessed correctly on jet size, or you'll have to do it all over again.
I hear ya, Hutch! Towing service may be cheap, but they have to be able to find you. Try breakingdown in the foothills of MO where you can't even get a cell phone signal. After all,everyone keeps saying Enfields are made for the backroads. : >I've probably broken down 30 times in 50 years. lol.In the 60s, it was a way of life. Your tool kit weighed more than you did.Progress is great, but only if you adapt to it. I own a Chevy HHR. Great machine with Star Wars technology. But gawd help meif I ever have a problem. There's nothing under the hood that I even recognize.Ding Hao!Rick
My first hand observations about the UCE is that a carb would bolt right on, although I am not sure why you would want to do that except perhaps for looks, not for performance.
::)I, for one and curious and a little excited about the new bike. I love the idea of a more modern working, but classic looking bike in the tradition of our Bullets! I don't know how well it will sell, but so many cruisers now are so exaggerated in their styling, that a basic, functional, rational and beautiful bike, that is hopefully priced affordably has huge appeal to me.
I am not sure as I am not yet a fuel injection expert (going to training in Germany next month), but I think the low fuel issue relates to the FI. The engine and transmission do share oil.