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Author Topic: Air Box / Filter  (Read 1388 times)

avandr

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Air Box / Filter
« on: October 01, 2012, 06:35:57 AM »
Opened my airbox today to install K&N filter, I was surprised to see a moulded plastic cover sealing the inlet and outlet. Manual did not show this. I am just wondering has anyone attempted sealing the box and discarding this plastic cover? It is a pain trying to centralise the airfilter with this arrangement and I am sure the EFI would breathe a lot better without this.
Thanks in anticipation

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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2012, 06:48:08 AM »
It was added to keep debris (such as the c-clips on the locks from entering the engine. Remove at your own risk. The risk is slight but it is a risk. Don't do it during warranty

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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2012, 07:01:51 AM »
remember also that the filter works backwards to normal thinking...  dirty air entering the air box from the center of the filter, clean air in the plastic molding going to the engine...
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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2012, 09:22:32 AM »
Sorry about the mini hijack but I also had a quick question regarding the K&N filter.

I get about 32 kilometres per litre or 75 US MPG with the stock air filter even though I ride a bit aggressively sometimes. Should I consider the K&N filter for higher MPG-Km/L, or it will negatively affect the mileage? Thanks
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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2012, 12:59:38 PM »
It is my belief that the stock configuration is your best choice for economy.  Any of the "easier breathing" enhancements will require more fuel.
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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2012, 05:00:40 PM »
If there was any mileage change between my K&N and the stock filter, it couldn't have been more than 1 mpg.
Do not remove the plastic cover, you will have no filtration! As mentioned, the filter works from the middle out. Common misconception on this filter box.
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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2012, 05:59:00 PM »
Opened my airbox today to install K&N filter, I was surprised to see a moulded plastic cover sealing the inlet and outlet. Manual did not show this. I am just wondering has anyone attempted sealing the box and discarding this plastic cover? It is a pain trying to centralise the airfilter with this arrangement and I am sure the EFI would breathe a lot better without this.
Thanks in anticipation
Avandr, It looks difficult but its fairly easy to do. I have a C5 and just installed the K&N about 10 days ago. I kept the plastic cover as is. But I did 2 things which made my life easier. 1. Using Monster glue I glued the Round black Metal plate to the Filter, I'm sure any strong glue will work, Mine took about 45 minutes to dry out in the Mildly hot California Sun.  2. I unscrewed the nut at the bottom of the filter housing which helped me insert the filter inside a bit more easily. then I re-tightened the same.
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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2012, 06:47:55 PM »
Hi Folks,
Which plastic cover on the K&N filter are we mentioning about.

I have the filter (just the filter no plastic covers any where on it) to the air filter box with the OEM black plate that goes on top of the filter and bolted to the housing. I did make sure that there are no gaps between the plate and filter.

In the air box itself, there is the plastic molding on the edges of the air box (black in color) that sought of seals the airbox when it is closed. I dont think we are talking about those - as they have no connection to K&N filter.

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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2012, 07:11:45 PM »
He was talking about the airbox top.
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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2012, 07:12:02 PM »
The C5 has a black plastic cover that nestles inside the metal triangle box over the filter.  The original bikes just had the metal triangle box but the seal on the edge was less than perfect, the hinges were an obvious leak point, and the small springs on the hinge could break and get sucked into the intake.  The plastic insert solves these problems.  It was retrofitted to the older bikes free of charge and is now standard equipment on the newer ones.

The G5 and B5 does not have the same airbox and do not have these problems.

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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2012, 08:38:00 PM »

The G5 and B5 do not have the same airbox and do not have these problems.


My 2011 B5 has the same triangular tool-box looking air filter on the starboard side.  within it is a plastic cover that forms the intake plenum around the air filter.

there is just enough room left inside the box for my registration and insurance papers (inside a zip-loc bag).

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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2012, 08:52:17 PM »
Thanks for the correction Gremlin.

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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2012, 11:17:37 PM »
eda1
The black plastic cover is the outer part of the inlet plenum.
If you remove the metal sidecover and you are looking at the air filter your motorcycle is missing an important  part.
If you remove the metal sidecover and your looking at a black plastic cover that is totally inclosing the factory air filter like I see in your link you don't have a problem.
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Re: Air Box / Filter
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2012, 11:23:53 PM »
yep that's it.
make sure your passenger peg is down or it won't open all the way.
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