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Author Topic: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5  (Read 3801 times)

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best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« on: November 01, 2012, 01:18:30 AM »
hi all
I've decided that i might try one really good chain "0" ring or otherwise and get rid of the  factory job.
 so just wondering if price isn't a drama what would the best running chain on a C5. any imput greatly appreciated
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2012, 02:05:05 AM »
The best types are x-ring, not o-ring.  The seal is an X in cross section.  Better seal and less friction than o-rings.  DID is my preferred brand but there are many out there of good quality.  Figure on spending $100-125 or maybe a bit more. 

A rivet master link is a bit stronger and more secure but takes a special tool to install, not sure if you have one.  These bikes don't put out enough power to stress the easier to install clip type master.  Buy two and put one in the tool box for emergencies.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2012, 05:54:30 AM »
Scott - DID has a bunch of chains of differing specs and uses.  Do you happen to know which you use?

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2012, 09:28:50 AM »
i put a tsubaki o ring on mine with the clip link.
as Scotty said the enging does not pull that hard and it is an over kill with the 530 chain, 102 links.
i have the DID x ring on my suzuki vstrom.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2012, 11:40:31 AM »
I have no idea what I've used in tge past.  Right now i have a non o-ring model that cost $35. The key things to know are size, 530, length, 102 links, and which type of master link you want.  Some chains include the master link some do not.  Then choose regular, o-ring, or x-ring.  Within that group there will still probably be a few choices. Usually the more expensive ones are a little higher quality, but if you buy a good brand even the lowest chain will be very high quality. 

Things like "super strong" are usually just hogwash.  The cheapest 520 chain (smaller than a 530) usually has enough tensile strength to handle the most powerful liter bike out there.  I have a good link at home, I'll post it later.

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2012, 04:55:01 PM »
Crud :(  Can't find the link I had.  It explained all the tech specs and different pieces of the chain and how they work, etc.  Oh well :(

Like I said, our bikes don't put out much power and use a large 530 chain.  If you get a good brand it will last a long time if you just clean and lube it regularly.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2012, 06:36:15 PM »
I switched over to the Tsubaki Omega 530 102 o-ring chain a couple of months ago on my B5.  At the same time, I upgraded the front sprocket to a 18T.  It was a huge improvement in the ride- the shifting was far smoother.  I can't attribute it all to the new chain- more than anything it was probably the sprocket upgrade, chain slack adjustment, and rear wheel alignment.  But I'm really happy with it and would definitely recommend it.

I think I picked it up on eBay for a little less that $100.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2012, 09:53:48 PM »
Crud :(  Can't find the link I had.  It explained all the tech specs and different pieces of the chain and how they work, etc.  Oh well :(

Like I said, our bikes don't put out much power and use a large 530 chain.  If you get a good brand it will last a long time if you just clean and lube it regularly.

Are you thinking about this link ?

http://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/forum/index.php/topic,8269.msg92214.html#msg92214

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2012, 10:14:52 PM »
Nope, but that will certainly do.  Thanks :)

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2012, 10:59:58 PM »
I went with a Tsubaki Omega 530 102 o-ring chain with clip link on my C5 when I installed a 19T front sprocket. No issues so far.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2012, 05:12:48 AM »
I switched over to the Tsubaki Omega 530 102 o-ring chain a couple of months ago on my B5.  At the same time, I upgraded the front sprocket to a 18T.  It was a huge improvement in the ride- the shifting was far smoother.  I can't attribute it all to the new chain- more than anything it was probably the sprocket upgrade, chain slack adjustment, and rear wheel alignment.  But I'm really happy with it and would definitely recommend it.

Our B5's come with a 17-tooth front sprocket - can anybody comment on the benefits or drawbacks of changing to an 18-tooth, or why such a change would improve shifting?

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2012, 01:19:11 PM »
The benefits are that you can install a good 530 Oring chain, as for what a good Oring chain will cost, start at about $100 at a discount supplier. Anything less will be suspect in quality. DID, Tsubaki and others have totally adequate chains in the $100 range. If you spend too much more for an Xring chain you are probably in the neighborhood of diminishing returns. The good chains will show their tensile strength. With an Enfield you certainly don't need the toughest thing out there. I have 7,000 miles aon a Tsubaki oring chain and I haven't have to adjust it yet. Still the same slack as new.
The disadvantage of an 18T sprocket is that it will kill a bit of punch off the lights and will possibly cut your top speed an mph or two. More advantages are that it will raise the comfortable cruising speed about 5 mph before that vibes set in. However, with the  new chain, it will smooth out the bike quite a bit, too. Didn't see much difference in the mileage between the two chains. To me, the 18T sprocket seemed more practical and user friendly. It will also reduce chain wear slights, the bigger the sprocket radius, the less the chain has to twist.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2012, 01:33:30 PM »
Bare - are you saying that a good 530 Oring chain cannot be installed without an 18 tooth front sprocket?

I know our high end performance is limited by horsepower more than gearing, but I don't understand why the "comfortable cruising speed" increases, while top speed decreases...

And, why would the larger sprocket improve shifting?

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2012, 01:53:42 PM »
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2012, 01:57:45 PM »
The G5 has a 217t fromt sprocket stock and cannot use an o-ring chain without switching to an 18t, it's a clearance issue.  I think this applies to the B5 also but someone check me on that.

The C5 has an 18t front sprocket stock and can use an O-ring chain with no sprocket change.  It has an o-ring chain stock.

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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2012, 10:34:32 PM »
The G5 has a 27t fromt sprocket stock and cannot use an o-ring chain without switching to an 18t, it's a clearance issue.  I think this applies to the B5 also but someone check me on that.
The C5 has an 18t front sprocket stock and can use an O-ring chain with no sprocket change.  It has an o-ring chain stock.

Scott

You are correct- the B5 needs an 18T sprocket to accommodate the o-ring chain.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2012, 02:49:11 PM »
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The G5 has a 27t fromt sprocket stock and cannot use an o-ring chain without switching to an 18t
The C5 has an 18t front sprocket stock and can use an O-ring chain with no sprocket change.  It has an o-ring chain stock.

But not necessarily of any great quality. And I do want to see that 27T front sprocket! ;)
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2012, 04:30:32 PM »
Smarty pants!  17t;)
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2012, 05:32:00 PM »
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Bare - are you saying that a good 530 Oring chain cannot be installed without an 18 tooth front sprocket?

I know our high end performance is limited by horsepower more than gearing, but I don't understand why the "comfortable cruising speed" increases, while top speed decreases...

The Oring Chain is too wide to fit over the bearing housing boss with a 17T sprocket, however, with the 18T the chain will clear that boss. The oring chain has more width because of the orings, and a good Oring chain has links that are about 50% thicker than a cheapie. The roller and pins are thicker, too. The cheap chain will start breaking up inside as the bushings split, partly because the bushings are split to start with. A good chain has a solid bushing. same thing with the out rollers that ride on the chain. A lot of cheap chains have split rollers. Get a good chain. It's cheaper and a lot more comfortable in the long run. I haven't had to adjust my Tsubaki in 7000 miles since I put it on. The original didn't last that long!  And I kept it on way after it should've been pitched. And a bad chain will ruin your sprockets. kinda dumb to wait until your sprockets are wrecked before changing chains. Now you've spent more than a good chain would've cost in the first place!
The cruising speed will increase because you are operating in the peak power band of the engine. As the speed increases the power actually decreases because of the cams and injection limitations. As this power is decreasing the drag is increasing. The terminal velocity decreases. Drag wins!
If you want to go faster with an Enfield, go see ACE!
The differences between the 17T on a G5/B5 and the 18T on a C5 is because of the difference difference in the rear wheel sizes. The RPM/MPH ratio are almost exactly the same.  The factory actually did a pretty good job on the stock gearing. I would have kept it had I been able to get the Tsubaki Omega 530 to fit.
The bike is just smoother all the way around Less vibration, etc. It's because that rattle trap stock is binding and yanking and stretching itself all the around,and it doesn't take long to do it. A good chain should easily last way over 20,000 miles. I usually get average over 30,000 on a DID or Tsubaki. This one, I'm presuming should last nearly that long. A thumper can be a bit harder on a chain that a Multi Cylinder bike just from the power pulse. On the other hand an Enfield doesn't have much of a power pulse so it should last a very long time.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2012, 05:38:06 PM »
Ducatis tend to eat chains because of the "power pulse" too.  10-12k miles is average.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2012, 05:54:00 PM »
Bigger power pulses!
I didn't keep my Ducati long enough to figure out how along a chain would last! :(
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2012, 05:02:02 PM »
If I'm looking at getting a Tsubaki Omega 530 102 o-ring chain for my B5:
  • Do I need to get a special "o-ring" clip-on master link in addition to the 102-link chain?
  • Where is the best place to get an 18 tooth sprocket for the UCE?

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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2012, 05:13:59 PM »
Maybe.  Some chains come with master links some don't.  O-ring chains generally don't, but check the description or call the vendor to confirm.  If you need one you should get one from the same manufacturer as the chain, different brands don't always mix and match. 

Also, if you need to buy one you'll probably need to choose either a clip type or rivet type.  Clip type is a spring clip that holds it together, just like your stock chain.  Rivet type is more secure but requires a rivet tool to put on.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2012, 06:00:31 PM »
That chain doesn't come with a master link - I can get one of the same size and manufacturer, but I wasn't sure if it had to be an "o-ring" link.  I'd go with the clip type.  And I wanted to make sure that if I was adding a master link, I shouldn't be getting a 101 link chain.

I see Hitchcocks sells UCE 18T sprockets, but NFG doesn't.  Is this one of those USA dealer-available-only items?

Do I need a special tool to remove the factory 17T sprocket?

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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2012, 06:08:18 PM »
Sorry for not being clear: Yes, you need to get a matching o-ring type master link. 

Not sure if the dealers have the sprockets in the US or not, you could ask.

Yes, you need a BIG socket to remove the front sprocket.  I forget the exact size but I believe that even though it's metric there is also an SAE size that's close enough to use.  May help if you can't source the metric tool or if it's way more expensive.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2012, 06:23:29 PM »
Awesome, thanks Scott!

Actually, I remembered needing a big socket; I was wondering if I needed a special pulling tool.  But thanks for the reminder!!!

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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2012, 06:51:12 PM »
if i remember it is a 48mm.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2012, 07:17:20 PM »
The Tsubaki omega 530, 102 o-ring chain does come with a clip type master link, so you don't need to buy one separately. The Hitchcocks sprockets are really good quality and you do not need any pulling tool to change the sprocket. The OEM will slip out by hand once you remove the nut. This is a nice upgrade!

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2012, 07:31:24 PM »
Bare - are you saying that a good 530 Oring chain cannot be installed without an 18 tooth front sprocket?

I know our high end performance is limited by horsepower more than gearing, but I don't understand why the "comfortable cruising speed" increases, while top speed decreases...

And, why would the larger sprocket improve shifting?


- none of the UCE bikes will accept an O-ring chain with a 17 tooth sprocket, the chain will foul the casing. Minimum of 18 tooth for an O-ring on any of the UCE bikes.
- comfortable cruising speed increases because the annoying tingly vibrations do not start until a higher speed
- With an 18 tooth the UCE bike is a touch overgeared and can not reach the optimum top speed



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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2012, 08:15:09 PM »
The Tsubaki omega 530, 102 o-ring chain does come with a clip type master link, so you don't need to buy one separately.

I don't know if we're allowed to get into specific vendors here, but here I go anyway...

motorcycle-superstore.com says, "**Note: All Tsubaki Omega O-ring chains do not include master link."  BikeBandit.com says, "This chain will come with a rivet style master link."  Others don't say at all, but offer master links for sale on the same pages as their chains.  I guess I can't just assume.  As a rule, do the manufacturers tend to include master links?

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« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2012, 08:49:37 PM »
My Tsubaki Omega O-ring chain came with a master link, and if  I remember correctly, it was actually packaged in the plastic that contained the chain.  This leads me to believe that they all come from the factory with the master link.

Just a suggestion for removing the 46mm bolt: buy a steel pipe.  I spent an afternoon smacking the socket wrench, heating up the bolt with a blowtorch, and sweating to the point of nausea without the bolt budging.  Finally I took my socket wrench to Home Depot, found a 5ft steel pipe that it fit into snugly, and bought it.  Once I used that as a breaker bar, the bolt finally gave up with a satisfying groan. 

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« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2012, 08:55:06 PM »
Wow.  Where did you find a torque wrench big enough to tighten it up again?  ;)

Dumb question: the engine cover has to come off for this job, yes?  Which means, I'll be draining the oil, yes?

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2012, 08:56:13 PM »
I use an old fork tube for my breaker bar.
As for Oring master links, a new chain will come with either a clip on, or a  rivet link. The rivet links aren't that hard to put on. Slip the parts together, back the link up with something like a block of wood to keep the link from moving when you smack it. Use a chisel and and smack an X on the end of the rivet. They aren't very hard on the tip. A center punch will work, too. Do not hit the tip very hard as you may overtighten the clip on the chain.   
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2012, 09:30:55 PM »
Wow.  Where did you find a torque wrench big enough to tighten it up again?  ;)

Dumb question: the engine cover has to come off for this job, yes?  Which means, I'll be draining the oil, yes?

I didn't bother with a torque wrench.  I needed a frickin' 5ft steel pipe to get it off- I figured that I wasn't going to over-tighten it.  I just used the pipe/breaker bar to put it back on and bent the metal tabs back in place to provide extra security.

You will have to change the oil when you replace the sprocket.  There's a fiber gasket that fits between the engine cover and engine.  If you're careful, you can remove the engine cover without tearing it.  Here's a link for a replacement, if it gets damaged:

http://nfieldgear.com/enfield-store/10k-mile-lubrication-kit.html

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2012, 12:15:55 PM »
My Tsubaki Omega O-ring chain came with a master link, and if  I remember correctly, it was actually packaged in the plastic that contained the chain.  This leads me to believe that they all come from the factory with the master link.

MC-Superstore confirmed: "The Tsubaki Omega chains do not come with master links."  I don't know what to think.  I'll just buy one and have a spare - it's only a few bucks...

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2012, 12:28:23 PM »
You will have to change the oil when you replace the sprocket.  There's a fiber gasket that fits between the engine cover and engine.  If you're careful, you can remove the engine cover without tearing it.  Here's a link for a replacement, if it gets damaged:

http://nfieldgear.com/enfield-store/10k-mile-lubrication-kit.html

That's an expensive gasket, with all those extras!  Isn't the following the same gasket, part #570416?  7th down at

http://www.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-engine-gasketseals-efi

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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2012, 12:54:31 PM »
MC-Superstore confirmed: "The Tsubaki Omega chains do not come with master links."  I don't know what to think.  I'll just buy one and have a spare - it's only a few bucks...

If you go with the clip type it's nice to have a spare, keep it somewhere on the bike.  Though rare, they can fly off.  If that happens and you have a spare you can pick your chain up off the road and try to re-install it roadside instead of just calling for a tow.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2012, 01:17:31 PM »
i got the tsubaki omega at cycle gear and it had a clip type master link with it.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2012, 01:24:43 PM »
Huh.  Just checked out cyclegear.com, and they don't carry Tsubaki...

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« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2012, 06:48:33 PM »
i walked in the store and there it was.
had the guy check for a master link, that was there also so i bought it....it was a 110 link so i had to cut it down.
btw i get a 30% discount for being a ridercoach so i buy most of my stuff there.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2012, 07:39:13 PM »
ah.  Maybe your "cycle gear" and my "cyclegear.com" aren't the same thing.

Never mind - I've ordered a chain, and a master link.  I'll either have a spare, or I won't!

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2012, 11:53:21 PM »
..........I've ordered a chain, and a master link.  I'll either have a spare, or I won't.......

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2012, 01:51:14 PM »
Ok, Singhg5 says, and shows a photo, that the sprocket nut is 46mm.  Motorat says 48mm, but I'm not sure if he's referring to the nut size or the socket size.  What size socket should I be looking for to pull the sprocket?  I know there are sets available, but I'd like to know the individual socket size in case I get the chance to borrow one or buy an individual one (there's a big used tool place nearby).

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2012, 02:25:07 PM »
Found a "big" socket set on Harbor Freight, but it's $60...

http://www.harborfreight.com/20-piece-metric-3-4-quarter-inch-heavy-duty-socket-set-5494.html

Still might try to get it, though, so I can replace my sprocket, but also so I can adjust my chain!  Still don't know what sizes those two rear axle nuts are...

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2012, 02:49:59 PM »
Quote
Found a "big" socket set on Harbor Freight, but it's $60..

I got their big 3/4" socket set for $20.00, on sale from $25.00. It was full of big black ugly deep sockets. But it works well. A 21 pc set, it ran from 19-50MM and included a breaker bar, ratchet and extensions. Maybe they don't carry that one any more.
As I recall, the sprocket nut was 46mm. I know it was smaller than 48mm.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2012, 03:02:42 PM »
When I went to pull my countershaft sprocket , man was I surprised. I flattened out the tab washer and slipped over the nut the closest SAE socket I had to see how it fit. I gave it a slight  twist by hand and the nut started to spin ! I never even had a chance to use the leverage arsenal I had gathered. Mattsz, I wish you the same luck !
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2012, 03:04:24 PM »
Mine was tight. I needed my fork tube breaker bar for it.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2012, 04:09:49 PM »
Wow, Jack!  The spec seems to be 80 NM, or 59 ft-lbs.  How did you tighten it back up again?

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2012, 05:10:39 PM »
I waited till I had the chain on, stuck a piece of wood between the chain and the sprocket and torqued it down. A piece of cake !
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2012, 07:17:56 PM »
46mm is the right size.  If all you had was a 48mm it would probably work though it's not a perfect fit.  Get a 46 if you can. Depending on the cost it might do yo get the set from HF.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2012, 07:59:22 PM »
I remember somebody mentioning using an SAE socket for this... so I did a little figuring:

46mm = 1.811 inches
1-13/16 inches = 1.813 inches

Prob'ly pretty close, huh?  2 thousandths?

Either way, I don't have a 1-13/16 inch socket either... but my handyman/auto-tech neighbor is likely to have one I could use.  I still might buy the set - I want sockets for the rear axle so's I can mount and adjust the chain.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2012, 02:15:37 PM »
Found this handy list of conversion charts - "Handy charts to find decimal equivalents, required torque values, wrench sizes and more..."

http://www.stanleyproto.com/default.asp?TYPE=STATICLEFT&PAGE=ConversionsCharts.htm&LEFT=left_ConversionsCharts.htm

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2012, 02:47:34 PM »
That's a nice reference.

A word of caution about using the torque values they list.
They are for steel to steel assemblies without any lubrication on the threads.

If the threads are lubricated with oil or with a liberal coating of Loc-Tite (or equal) the value actually used should be the value given reduced about 30 percent.

If for instance the torque given is 18 ft/lbs (dry), if the threads are lubricated the value should be 18 -(.33 X 18) = 18 - 5.9 = 12.1 ft/lbs

If the steel screw or bolt is being threaded dry into a threaded dry aluminum hole the value given should be reduced about 30 percent (like the example above for lubricated steel assemblies).

If a lubricated (or liberally coated with Loc-Tite) steel screw or bolt is being threaded into a threaded aluminum hole the torque value they give should be reduced 50 percent.
For example if the given value is 18 ft/lbs, the lubricated threads should be torqued to 9 ft/lbs .
This will prevent ripping the aluminum threads out of the housing or aluminum part.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2012, 06:32:34 PM »
...I've ordered a chain, and a master link.  I'll either have a spare, or I won't!

Just a quick hijack to show everyone one of my pet peeves.  Please don't bother to reply; either ignore it or stew in your own juices about it as you wish...

Photo 1 shows the well-greased master link that came today via ups...

Photo 2 shows the box it came in...  16-1/2 x 12 x 7 inches...  :o

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2012, 08:35:18 PM »
you know how fragile metal is.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #56 on: December 23, 2012, 06:35:40 PM »
Just ordered the "20 Piece 3/4" Jumbo Heavy Duty Metric Socket Set" from Harbor Freight.  It's "on sale" for $60, but I found a retailmenot.com coupon code that actually worked (88058583) for 20% off one item  8) , bringing the price down to $48, plus $7 shipping.  It's no $25, but it's the best I could find...

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2012, 07:11:32 PM »
[*shrug*]
I just hit up the local pawn shop for a set of large-bore metric sockets...  $15, out the door.  Done and done.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #58 on: December 24, 2012, 09:40:35 PM »
Closest "local" pawn shop?  4 hours away...

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #59 on: December 24, 2012, 09:41:57 PM »
Dunno what to tell ya....
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #60 on: December 25, 2012, 05:21:34 AM »
Rigger - Don't have to tell me nuthin' - all the big sockets I need will be waiting for me when I get home after Christmas!!! ;)

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2012, 03:36:11 PM »

My Tsubaki Omega O-ring chain came with a master link, and if  I remember correctly, it was actually packaged in the plastic that contained the chain.  This leads me to believe that they all come from the factory with the master link.

MC-Superstore confirmed: "The Tsubaki Omega chains do not come with master links."  I don't know what to think.  I'll just buy one and have a spare - it's only a few bucks...

Shamelin, and all:

Just received my new chain - it does indeed come with a clip master link.  It even says so right on the box.  How hard is it for somebody selling something to actually look when a customer inquires?  >:(

Well, like I said before, now I have a spare... 8)

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2012, 06:57:31 PM »
Lol, join the club. I have a spare too.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2012, 07:17:33 PM »
Lol, join the club. I have a spare too.

+1.   I think it is a conspiracy to sell more clip type master links!  I spent days trying to sort this out prior to giving up and ordering a chain and a spare clip..... :D
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2012, 07:46:46 PM »
We should all pool our spare links together and,make a whole chain for someone.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2012, 08:12:34 PM »
We should all pool our spare links together and,make a whole chain for someone.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2012, 11:34:07 PM »
Good to know that you've got a spare.  Too many of something is always better than not enough, IMHO.

Best of luck with your sprocket upgrade.  It's the best modification I've made on my B5- I hope you'll find it to be as amazing.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2012, 07:18:53 AM »
Thanks Shamelin-

I've heard mixed reports about the changes in performance that the 18T brings.  I'm doing it because I want to change to the o-ring chain...

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2012, 08:18:34 PM »
Thanks Shamelin-

I've heard mixed reports about the changes in performance that the 18T brings.  I'm doing it because I want to change to the o-ring chain...
I can add to your confusion while letting you in on mine. I have an E5 which is technically G5's identical twin but for paint & stickers. So its has the 17T sprocket. I replaced the worn out stock chain with the stock o-ring chain from a C5.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2012, 04:29:44 AM »
I can add to your confusion while letting you in on mine. I have an E5 which is technically G5's identical twin but for paint & stickers. So its has the 17T sprocket. I replaced the worn out stock chain with the stock o-ring chain from a C5.
Some say... (Top Gear voice) that it can't be done; some say ;) it wouldn't fit.
But the truth is out there (and now here too).

I recall reading that the C5 stock o-ring chain isn't any better than the stock standard chain, and it's not much of an o-ring chain.  The sprocket change was perhaps required for the "better quality" aftermarket o-ring chains?

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2012, 07:31:54 PM »
I recall reading that the C5 stock o-ring chain isn't any better than the stock standard chain, and it's not much of an o-ring chain.  The sprocket change was perhaps required for the "better quality" aftermarket o-ring chains?
Yes, my idea too but for lack of better. Just don't know.
As for the C5 o-ring chain: it is holding up very well, over 4000km by now and still as new, nice. Totally unlike the stock E/G/B5 chain.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2013, 10:05:57 AM »
I got their big 3/4" socket set for $20.00, on sale from $25.00. It was full of big black ugly deep sockets. But it works well. A 21 pc set, it ran from 19-50MM and included a breaker bar, ratchet and extensions. Maybe they don't carry that one any more.
As I recall, the sprocket nut was 46mm. I know it was smaller than 48mm.
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FWIW - I got my 19-50mm, 21pc socket set from HF, and I was just sorting through everything.  Don't know if it's the same set that has been talked about before, but guess what?  It doesn't contain a 46mm socket.  45, yes.  48, yes.  46, no.

It lists the sizes right in the description - I just didn't pay attention.  Loser.  :-[

Some have said the the 48 might work - maybe, if the nut isn't too tight?

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2013, 04:18:19 PM »
I  think the 45mm is the one that works.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2013, 08:55:57 PM »
according to singh5g it is a 48mm
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #74 on: May 30, 2013, 09:03:36 AM »
Bump -

I've installed my new Tsubaki o-ring chain.  It came out of the package with a somewhat dry, kind of sticky, waxy lubricant, and it seems quite stiff compared to my used regular chain (no surprise there!).

Should I just ride it, or does it need to be lubed first, or even cleaned and lubed?

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2013, 11:20:58 AM »
Ride it. That'll soften up the gunk.
But do spray some chain lube on it every few hundred miles. The orings take care of the links, but they don't do anything for the rollers and sprocket interface.
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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2013, 11:38:47 AM »
+1.

I find Maxima chain wax is pretty good for o-ring chains.  Spray a bunch on, then wipe to clean the chain.  Then spray a little more on and wipe off the excess.  Let it dry before you ride.  This keeps the chain in good shape but minimizes fling off.

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2013, 12:30:34 PM »
Thanks guys!!!!!

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Re: best "0" ring chain or otherwise for the C5
« Reply #78 on: May 30, 2013, 07:28:52 PM »
Tsubaki o-ring chain - best add on by far to my C5. did an adjustment after the first 500 kl and after that ........set,forget and ride on.
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