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Author Topic: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle  (Read 1086 times)

Bulletman

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Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« on: June 12, 2013, 03:20:01 PM »
While tightening the bolt of the tank on the fuel pump side my wrench slipped and I snapped the "Cheap plastic " L shaped nozzle"  that goes from under the fuel pump to the rubber hose.  >:(
After some fruitful discussions with my engineering team "Gashousegorilla". I tried several things including soldering the broken piece, plastic welding it, J&B weld, spit and concrete, you name it... Realized from members like "Ducati scottie" that I was dealing with a pressured piece (about 41 psi) of GAS flowing through this Nozzle, and nothing would hold for a long period.
Solution:
 :). Since my pump was screwed, i decided to cut of the tamper proof heads using a dremel, l then took off the Tamper proof stud screws, took off the top plate, pulled out the broken plastic piece of S... and see what I was dealing with.
I quickly realized that there was no way I could fix this issue safely, correctly and professionally by utilizing the broken piece of plastic nozzle.
Attached are a few pictures.
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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2013, 03:35:32 PM »
My next step was to get a new pump, I called our host at CMW and Tim as usual was very helpful, I had to purchase the fuel pump from a dealer, (cost was $300.00) I got the part number from Tim, and though I live close to San Francisco, I always deal with the best and that's AL from BMW Fresno (150 miles from me) Al had the pump in stock and was smart enough to ask me if I also needed the "O ring" which mine was now about 1 1/2 inches bigger in size due to the immersion in fuel. Since I now knew-the fuel pump was available and an overnight shipment away, I decided to try a few other solutions I might have on hand. So I asked AL to mail me the O ring, which he did and he didn't even charge me for it.
Here are a few pics.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2013, 03:40:57 PM by Bulletman »
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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2013, 03:40:01 PM »
I decided to look for the "keihin" fuel pump on eBay, I didn't find the exact one but after a few searches I got a hit on something similar, the pump almost looked identical and more Important the Nozzle looked the same, so I purchased the pump from eBay.
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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2013, 03:42:22 PM »
I think the following pictures will speak for themselves :)
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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2013, 03:46:15 PM »
Getting closer to completion.
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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2013, 03:49:31 PM »
Did you have a model number for that ebay pump?  Or know what machine it belongs to?

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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2013, 03:55:56 PM »
Project completed.  :)   ;)   :D
YAAY......
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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2013, 03:59:42 PM »
Congrats!

2012 Kawasaki KX450?  I think this may be our pump.

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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2013, 04:01:35 PM »
Scottie it was a  11 Kawasaki Ninja EX 650 C Keihin Pump Sending Unit A25.
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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2013, 04:47:34 PM »
  GOOD JOB Bulletman !!  ;)
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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2013, 06:44:29 PM »
I wonder if this could replace the broken elbow?

http://www.cv-performance.com/cvp-fuel-max-inlet-elbow/

I'm now on some mad hunt to cobble together some brass and copper to replace that plastic piece of crap.

Scott

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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2013, 07:14:20 PM »
  Yeah.... I would think something like that Scott. Or... a brass threaded Ell ?   But i don't know how much "Meat" is in that outlet hole to tap.  You know, then adapt a barbed hose fitting on the other end of the ell.  should do the trick.... if the pump body can be tapped.
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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2013, 07:48:49 PM »
Oh no!  I'm not about to tap that white metal.  I was thinking more along the lines of a drop in replacement for the plastic.  Get something close and you'd just need to solder an ear on to it to bolt it up the same way.  Tapered threads into white metal???  I'm not that crazy!

Interestingly, the KX450 fuel pump looks indentical.  It costs about $30-40 more but it's good to know in case you need a replacement and RE is back ordered.  Also, no replacement palstic elbow available for that one that I can find either.

Scott

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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2013, 08:44:00 PM »
Oh no!  I'm not about to tap that white metal.  I was thinking more along the lines of a drop in replacement for the plastic.  Get something close and you'd just need to solder an ear on to it to bolt it up the same way.  Tapered threads into white metal???  I'm not that crazy!

Interestingly, the KX450 fuel pump looks indentical.  It costs about $30-40 more but it's good to know in case you need a replacement and RE is back ordered.  Also, no replacement palstic elbow available for that one that I can find either.

Scott

  Not sure about the  kx450,  the flow rate  or what fuel pressure That bike uses. Probably would work ?....  The Ninja 650 runs at 48 psi  and I saw where it was about 225 bucks .  I believe that was for an 09 Ninja.   I would just verify the pressure if you stick one of those in........
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Re: Fuel Pump - How I fixed the broken off Nozzle
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2013, 09:08:39 PM »
Yeah, the base looks the same but I can't tell if it's the same pump and what pressure it runs.  I was more concerned about seeing if the outlet tube was listed as a separate part for that, which it's not as far as I can tell.

Scott