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Author Topic: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia  (Read 922 times)

Catbird

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Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« on: July 05, 2013, 11:50:38 PM »
I just joined this forum, so thought I'd jump right in and start posting.

Although I'm new to the Royal Enfield brand of motorcycles, I'm not new to riding -- I bought my first bike, a Honda CB350 twin, back in 1973.  I currently have a 2005 BMW R1200RT and a Vespa scooter GTS300 and just placed my order for a 2013 Royal Enfield Military.  Other than a short demo ride at the RE dealer's, I must confess that I really don't have any experience with these bikes but I love the vintage, old-school look.

I am most curious about one thing...
As I started my online RE research a few weeks ago, it seems like the vast majority of pre-owned REs "for sale by owner" are several years old, have very low mileage and most have had at least two owners.  Compared to other bikes I have or had in the past, this seems odd to me.

Can someone please explain this to me?
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2013, 12:48:15 AM »
It comes down to the fact that many owners of the older Bullets did not want to spend all the long time for slow riding during the break-in period, and so they parked the bike. Even if they did the full break-in, the bikes don't really handle interstate highway speeds, so they don't fulfill the expectations of many people who bought them without knowing this.
So, they end up getting parked or sold.

This only applies to the older models with the vintage engines, which are the models which this particular part of the forum is about.
The  newer UCE engine models are more capable in terms of speed, and they have their own forum a couple of categories down from this category.
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2013, 12:57:59 AM »
I too wondered about the very same thing when looking at the various plentiful low mileage Enfields for sale. I reckon it is, in most cases, a case of sellers who always thought about getting a motorcycle, that loved the non-threatening riding experience of them (easy ergonomics, soft power, etc) and especially the vintage looks. It looks like a proper motorcycle and most everyone would agree they are neat, cool, pretty, beautiful, choose your way of describing them.... And then they ride a little, and then for many reasons the honeymoon ends abruptly. They have a fall, a close call, nobody to ride with, they never were an avid motorcyclist, or an enthusiast. It's just another toy, a new endeavor that doesn't pan out, or they have too much other stuff going on for whatever reason. Most don't know how to work on them I bet. Are not mechanically inclined...lots or reasons they become disinterested. So possibly some of those reasons perhaps? And then it's time to unload it and that's the end of their little motorcycle kick?? I've seen it with any type of motorcycle, but definitely the so called "entry level" type bikes for sure. Just the way it is I think. Maybe I'm wrong? Just my opinion of course.  BUT,  their loss is someone else's gain!! ;D

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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2013, 10:26:31 AM »
Hi Catbird - That's two good answers already. I'm in Arlington. What dealership did you order from?
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2013, 10:34:00 AM »
Before I move on to the UCE forum, I do have some follow up questions...

Based on what I read in the RE owner's manual that I downloaded, the break-in procedure didn't really strike me as all that unusual or difficult to go thru for the new owner.  Unless I missed something, it seems reasonable -- much like I did for my 2011 Vespa.

Even though I no longer have any interest in touring, per se, I may have an occasional desire to ride the RE 15-20 miles on the highway @ 65 mph.  After break-in, should this type of use be avoided?  If so, why?

The dealership where I am purchasing the bike seems to routinely put 30-40 miles on their REs before declaring them approved for sale.  Why is this?  This is unusual from my experience with other brands.

I'm certain that I'll have more questions later, but I'll try to put them in their proper forums.
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2013, 10:44:30 AM »
Hi Catbird - That's two good answers already. I'm in Arlington. What dealership did you order from?
Cheers,
Bill

Hey Bill.

I'm in N. Stafford.  The RE dealerships seem to be few and far between; I ended up by driving down to Velocity in Richmond just to look and take a demo ride before getting too far ahead of myself.  I, however, ended up by placing an order.  I think the only other dealership within a reasonable distance to me is in Winchester. (?)
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2013, 10:53:55 AM »
Before I move on to the UCE forum, I do have some follow up questions...

Based on what I read in the RE owner's manual that I downloaded, the break-in procedure didn't really strike me as all that unusual or difficult to go thru for the new owner.  Unless I missed something, it seems reasonable -- much like I did for my 2011 Vespa.

Even though I no longer have any interest in touring, per se, I may have an occasional desire to ride the RE 15-20 miles on the highway @ 65 mph.  After break-in, should this type of use be avoided?  If so, why?

The dealership where I am purchasing the bike seems to routinely put 30-40 miles on their REs before declaring them approved for sale.  Why is this?  This is unusual from my experience with other brands.

I'm certain that I'll have more questions later, but I'll try to put them in their proper forums.

With the new UCE models, you will have no problems doing those speeds on the highway. They are capable of that.

The older "Iron Barrel" engines might experience a problem doing that in stock form, but they might be able to handle it. It would be in the questionable area.
They could do the speed without any trouble, but they are prone to overheating when speeds like that are continued for any length of time, and the length  of time is not very clear. Some can handle it better than others can. Tuning and conditions will play a part.
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2013, 02:37:41 PM »
Hi Catbird and I'm up the road from you in Opal. When u get your new military stop by and we'll go for a break in ride on the back roads towards Sperryville and return back on 211...
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2013, 04:32:39 PM »
Velocity (Richmond) and Winchester are it.  There was a place near Balt, in Elkridge maybe?, but it only did service, no sales.
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2013, 08:00:49 PM »
Hi Catbird and I'm up the road from you in Opal. When u get your new military stop by and we'll go for a break in ride on the back roads towards Sperryville and return back on 211...
Hi GreenMachine. That sounds great! Are you close to Clark Brothers?
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2013, 08:16:22 PM »
The UCE's are quite capable of 65-70 mph cruising. they are kinda slow lane machines on the freeway, but you'll learn to sue them i short order. You will not be the slowest guy up there though, believe me! On the other hand you will be getting near 70 mpg!
As for breakin, the manual breakin  was copied straight out of the old iron barrel maneual, which doesn't really apply to the UCE. Just ride this one without using excessive speeds, jackrabbit starts or steady RPM for a long stretch.  Also do not lug it. I looked at my throttle and figured out where half throttle was and did not exceed that for a few hundred miles. You still have adequate acceleration from a stop light and a top speed of 55 or so. It is a very good breakin range. Use the gearbox a lot. If you have some twisty roads in the area, use them for breakin.
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2013, 10:51:06 PM »
catbird:   yupper..mile behind clark bros....
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2013, 12:27:28 AM »
GreenMachine

It's been 2 or 3 years since I've been out to the Sperryville area. From where I live, I used to follow 17 north out to  SHEETZ, cross over the highway, snake my way thru the back roads and eventually make my way out to Lee Highway.  From there, I'd head toward the Skyline Dr./Luray area.

In your opinion, are the new REs able to handle the mountains of Skyline Dr.?
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2013, 12:45:58 AM »
of course they will..the fellows out west ride higher elevations than the molehills we have here...the new machines are setup to handle the Himalayas in India and Tibet..  that route u talking about, I take quite often as its pretty laid back with good rural riding.
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2013, 02:46:41 AM »
Welcome to the Great State of Virginia. Glad to hear the Queen and the Commonwealth are well.
Welcome Catbird. An REM will handle anything you need to ride on. Maybe not at the speed you think you need.
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2013, 01:36:18 PM »
...Welcome Catbird. An REM will handle anything you need to ride on. Maybe not at the speed you think you need.
Thank you.
Maybe it's my basic personality (or my advanced age of 65), but I'm not too much into super high speed riding.  I have always preferred to ride at reasonable speeds and enjoy the scenery and soaking in my surroundings.
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2013, 01:56:25 AM »
I went through Luray back in May. DC MD VA Ride posted on May 28, 2013. Check out the photos in Paint Bank with the Triumph Thruxton. The rider was 70!

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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2013, 10:21:33 AM »
Friday 7/19...In my daily truck, I followed a Military Bullet on US Rt.15 from Gainesvillle, Va until I broke off at Frederick, MD.  Tried to keep some of the typical aggressive northern VA drivers off your tail.
You had New York plates, panniers and solo seat...so are you local or travelling through ?
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2013, 05:51:23 PM »
These 500s were basically designed in the late forties and were intended for the working man to commute on the road of the 40s and were not categorized at sport bikes. As we called them then, they were duffer bikes made to use the roads of the day and cruise 40-50 mph.
Royal Enfield, England, made some somewhat sportier versions in the late '50s and '60s, but these were not what the Indians were building. They had contracted to build the '55 version and made little attempt at upgrading them over the many years of production as they were originally meant for their police and army. Had Enfield remained in a good business stance in the60s they probably would have produced a unit construction 500 as they already had a 250 and 350 unitized. Basically the Indians have now done that with the UCEs. It's still basically the same old duffer engine unitized and thrown in some far better metallurgy, electronics and fuel injection. The engine has better performance because of the improved materials which allows for higher continuous RPM ranges.
Actually, the breakin is more akin to modern engines where you just ride it. Avoid high RPM and loads during the breakin time and ride it in the twisties if available so the gearbox gets a workout, too. It needs to be broken in also. I broke mine in most by figuring out where the half throttle spot was and not exceeding it for about 500 miles. That offers adequate acceleration in traffic and reasonable speeds through the gears, I ran mine generally up to about 55 in that period. After the 500 or so just start increasing the speed in steps for the next 500 and by 1000 miles it will be fairly well broken in. This procedure is pretty much what our sponsor, Kevin, recommends. The breakin procedure in the book was never changed from the iron barrel, 4 speed days and just isn't applicable to the new bikes. Basically, just ride it sanely and you will be fine.
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Re: Greetings from the Commonwealth of Virginia
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2013, 12:16:43 AM »
Just another hello from here in the Commonwealth. If any of you are down here in Charlottesville, I'm always up for a nice leisurely RE ride.
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