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ace.cafe

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Re: Here we go again ......
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2013, 11:58:06 AM »
Great Billery quote! It seems odd that Reps get called war mongers when we get into most wars by Dems. Roosevelt-WWII, Truman-Korea, Kennedy/Johnson- Vietnam, Clinton-Bosnia, Somalia, Obama- Lybia, Pakistan, Dijibouti, Nigerand Syria next

That fact is even more interesting when we see that the warlike neo-conservative faction of the Republican Party, characterized most fully in the GWB administration, was actually founded by a group of disaffected warlike liberals who's intent was/is to infiltrate and take over the Republican Party and "conservatism" in general, and re-shape it into what is essentially a big gov't domestic policy and warlike foreign policy. This is according to the actual words written in The Weekly Standard article by the late Irving Kristol(father of William Kristol), who has been considered the "Godfather of Neocons".

So, the actors haven't really changed. They just went undercover and switched parties and took over.
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Re: Here we go again ......
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2013, 12:51:31 PM »
That fact is even more interesting when we see that the warlike neo-conservative faction of the Republican Party, characterized most fully in the GWB administration, was actually founded by a group of disaffected warlike liberals who's intent was/is to infiltrate and take over the Republican Party and "conservatism" in general, and re-shape it into what is essentially a big gov't domestic policy and warlike foreign policy. This is according to the actual words written in The Weekly Standard article by the late Irving Kristol(father of William Kristol), who has been considered the "Godfather of Neocons".

So, the actors haven't really changed. They just went undercover and switched parties and took over.

That's pretty much the size of it...neocons are the worst of all worlds, catalyzed by the fact that they're generally academics and businessmen trying to project their models of how the world should work onto reality, and naming anyone with real-world experience that contradicts their theories as ineffective, spineless bureaucrats or nay-sayers.  (Including, say, Gen Anthony Zinni...I also had a laugh at Gen Mattis's recent comments about potentials in Syria.  "You invade a country, pull down a statue, and then what??")

However, the move towards isolationist thinking in America is also troubling.

We can be engaged with the world, and we need to be engaged with the world.  Isolationism preceded WWI and II both, and although we may never have been able to avoid it we could have mitigated the situations to make them less dire, perhaps even contain them regionally or reduce their magnitudes.

We shouldn't ignore Syria.  We should encourage those who need to act--Syria's Arab neighbors, and call them out for not acting.  We need to step back and stop spending trillions on wars, increase our diplomatic efforts, and re-build American credibility.

The saddest thing is that everyone in the US gov't analyzing the Syrian situation is looking at it from a perspective on how best to leverage the domestic implications to their advantage, not at what's right strategically, morally, or even just practically in the long-term.

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Re: Here we go again ......
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2013, 04:12:53 PM »
This is a little off topic but it does reflect the disconnect between the citizen and the Government

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-R8T1SuG4
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Re: Here we go again ......
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2013, 03:09:19 PM »
Haaaaaaaaa , old George "the eternal pessimist"made me laugh this Sunday morning...
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