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Author Topic: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only  (Read 1230 times)

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Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« on: September 12, 2013, 12:32:54 AM »
     Well, I didn't want to, but I have to start a new topic. I got no answer by asking on another thread (Where are you, SuperChuck?).

      I need advice on what battery to get. Here's the one SuperChuck got (YT4B-BS):

https://www.google.com/search?q=ebay+yt4b-bs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

      What I don't get are the terminals. I would like to have regular battery terminals & what I see look like big spade terminals.

       And notice the price range for the same battery. Anywhere from $20 free shipping all the way to $250.

        The Positive cable is long enough to reach into the right side case. I made a new ground cable today (it needs to be 1/2 again as long) so all I need is a bat tree.

         The bike looks so much better (to me) now with the battery, the bracket & the cover gone & I never have to fight with those bleedin' rubber straps or that frigging lock again.

« Last Edit: September 12, 2013, 01:03:33 AM by tooseevee »
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2013, 05:00:33 PM »
Can't say about the terminals. I'd just do it and keep NAPA in mind to adapt on the fly.
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         The bike looks so much better (to me) now with the battery, the bracket & the cover gone & I never have to fight with those bleedin' rubber straps or that frigging lock again.
. Got pics???
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2013, 06:14:40 PM »
look up the spec on a TMSYTX7L gel they're small I've got them in a couple of mine. Kick only.  ERC
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2013, 08:17:07 PM »
. . Got pics???

         Patience, Grasshoppah. Patience. I don't want to show pictures with the seat off.

         I've been on an AutoZone/NAPA/Jap dealer expedition today & I'm worn out. The parts guy at the Jap dealer kept insisting I give him a make, model & year bike before he'd let me look at his small battery supply in the inner sanctum. I told him I'd know what I wanted when I saw it. I finally just turned & walked out.

             ERC - Thanks for the lead, but I think I found one I like. I just have to cut the bracket inside the case off to gain that room; the bracket that holds the thread bung for the OEM air filter bolt. That & reverse 2 of the 3  bolts that hold the case on so the threads don't stick up.
             More later.     
 
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2013, 08:46:21 PM »
Sorry for the no-reply.  It's been a whirlwind.  Getting a new job, and working like mad to finish my enfield build.  Making a custom seat tonight.

For my contacts I got these little connector things that slide right over the little tabs on that battery I bought.  They sell them at home depot, or probably any store.  It's the female connectors you want, and I think they come in 3 main sizes, based on gauge of your wire you're connecting them to.  I got the biggest ones they had but could've gone with smaller ones.  I ended up cutting off my stock battery connectors (the screw-on ones) and wiring straight into these little tabs.  Works great so far.  No solder required... just taped it up.  You need to crimp the little connector things to make them clamp onto the wire.  I didn't have crimpers so I used needlenose pliers... it worked but i imagine having the real tool would've made things easier. 

I have almost 500 miles on it since doing this mod and it seems to hold up well.
I attached an image of the crimp connectors I used... mine were yellow.  They friction fit very snugly to the little metal tabs on my battery... you just tug hard when you want to get them off.

Not sure any of this helps since you're looking to keep the stock connectors, but it's at least what worked for me.  Small, efficient, and it works.  Space saving, and looks good.

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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2013, 11:30:23 PM »
   Well, I've had it.

    I've spent a great part of the afternoon today in a battle to post this battery thing here.

     First off (F&*King) Windoze came bashing in and wiped my first attempt out with one of it's F-ing Update Attacks. There was nothing I could do about it. It just shut me down & the forum post was, of course, lost.

      Then I waited for SugarSync to update my laptop with the pictures downloaded into my PC. Then I could never find them. Finally found a way around that manually & another couple hours had gone by while---

      --- I typed up my whole text over again & downloaded 4 pictures which took another hour. This website found the 4 too big so I deleted one at a time all the way down to 1 & then found that I had to been locked out for being naughty & it would not even let me revise my text (or delete anything) so I just closed the whole thing down.

        Why can't you just Drag & Drop pictures into your text frame? Is that so hard to write in to the code for this forum?

       Anybody wants to hear about the battery switch & get pictures, email me personally off the forum at [email protected].

       I also STILL can't get into the Photo Gallery or post pictures there IF I'm logged in. And that's been for months now.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2013, 11:36:27 PM by tooseevee »
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2013, 08:54:36 PM »
Can't help with the forum procedure, but provided your hardware is compatible I can recommend Lubuntu Linux as a cure for the MS Blues! I have still got Windows 7 on this PC but I rarely use it. The forced shut down for updates when I used XP sticks in my memory as being a particular pain.

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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2013, 09:25:59 PM »
Computers can be a pain in the ass.   ERC
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2013, 09:33:06 PM »
Can't help with the forum procedure, but provided your hardware is compatible I can recommend Lubuntu Linux as a cure for the MS Blues! I have still got Windows 7 on this PC but I rarely use it. The forced shut down for updates when I used XP sticks in my memory as being a particular pain.

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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2013, 03:14:54 AM »
Been Using Mandrake Linux, and now called Mandriva, since the 90's.
Ubuntu is the easiest freeware Linux for the layman to install and use.  Everything is there where as with others you may have to install Flash and Java Runtime Environment yourself.  It is easy on some, somewhat of a learning process on some.  It isn't MS Windows and lots of software won't run in it, but since most software packages come as RPM (Redhat Linux based) or Deb (Debian based which is what Ubuntu uses by default) packages now, it's really no big deal.
I'm actually using Windows 7 right now - dual boot defaults to Mandriva.
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2013, 08:34:47 PM »
  What the hell is wrong today. I can't seem to post anything. See if THIS one works........

    Picture with battery gone.
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2013, 10:46:19 PM »
Oh that's nice!! Giving me ideas. So please share... What did you do with the battery?  Also, I can't recall, where's the mayo can (or did u duckbill it out the backside?)

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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2013, 11:07:17 PM »
Oh that's nice!! Giving me ideas. So please share... What did you do with the battery?  Also, I can't recall, where's the mayo can (or did u duckbill it out the backside?)
Great look 2CV!!

            If you remember from previous threads all the "mayo can stuff" was done away with long ago & the CC hose was run to the then empty right hand case ending with a duckbill. With the battery now in the right hand case, I just ran the hose to under the bike (you can see it in the Foe Toe) between the frame & the tranny. If it works out OK I'll just leave it there. If not... well, it's a long winter...

           
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2013, 11:19:04 PM »
Oh that's nice!! Giving me ideas. So please share... What did you do with the battery? 

            Here's the battery in the right hand case with some closed cell foam cut to fit as padding:


           
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2013, 11:29:11 PM »
Oh that's nice!! Giving me ideas. So please share... What did you do with the battery? 
Great look 2CV!!

            Here's the final piece of foam which presses the battery in nice & tight when you shut the door. This battery is less than 1/2 the size in all 3 dimensions & way lighter (AGM). $26 with an old battery to turn in.




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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2013, 02:07:17 AM »
This may be a little late, but I have been researching using a Lithium Iron Battery made by Shorai.  The response I got when I asked them about my 2008 Re was use a LFX14L5-BS12, SHORAI LFX Lithium-Iron Powersports battery, 14Ah PbEq 12V eq, "L" polarity, Case Type 5 Length 5.28" Width 3.15" Height 6.30", Cranking CCA (A): 210.  $159.95
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2013, 02:21:54 AM »
I'm like'n it!! 
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2013, 01:39:41 PM »
This may be a little late, but I have been researching using a Lithium Iron Battery made by Shorai.  The response I got when I asked them about my 2008 Re was use a LFX14L5-BS12, SHORAI LFX Lithium-Iron Powersports battery, 14Ah PbEq 12V eq, "L" polarity, Case Type 5 Length 5.28" Width 3.15" Height 6.30", Cranking CCA (A): 210.  $159.95

           ION. Lithium ION.

            Why in the world does this bike need a $160.00 battery? Is it going to the moon? Mongolia? Antarctica? I don't get it. Just because it's there? Like 80 inch television screens?

             Sorry. I just don't get it. What's next? A Noo Kyu Ler powered battery?
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2013, 09:36:51 PM »
Sorry dude, but it's advertised as Shorai Lithium IRON battery.  I know that there are Lithium Ion batteries also.  There are folks on this site that spend a lot of money on rebuilding the engines on this site.  I would spend extra bucks on a battery if I could mount it sideways in a small place.  Do some reading on this battery before criticizing.
           ION. Lithium ION.

            Why in the world does this bike need a $160.00 battery? Is it going to the moon? Mongolia? Antarctica? I don't get it. Just because it's there? Like 80 inch television screens?

             Sorry. I just don't get it. What's next? A Noo Kyu Ler powered battery?
This bike was stored for 3.5 years.  It had fallen on its side for awhile. I claimed it about a year and a half ago. Thus the low miles and inexperienced owner.
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2013, 10:07:45 PM »
Sorry dude, but it's advertised as Shorai Lithium IRON battery.  I know that there are Lithium Ion batteries also.  There are folks on this site that spend a lot of money on rebuilding the engines on this site.  I would spend extra bucks on a battery if I could mount it sideways in a small place.  Do some reading on this battery before criticizing.

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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2013, 10:36:58 PM »
 Is the battery Lithium Ion (Li-ion or LIB, Lithium Ion Polymer (Li-poly, Li-Pol, LiPo,), or lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO 4) ?

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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2013, 01:35:22 AM »
Hey, quick question for all that have tried this-- am I going to have problems overdrawing the battery if I'm running the 7" headlight and bullet signals? I'm pretty sure mine is the deluxe model.

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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2013, 02:12:40 AM »
From what I gather, the only thing that you have to worry about is if you're running an electric start.  If you have a kick-only bike you should be fine running basically anything (besides heated grips, etc), and can use pretty much any battery (within reason).  Mine is for a 50cc dirtbike to put it in perspective.

I have the 7" headlight, and although I just switched all my signals to LED's, I added resistors so they still draw as much current as the stock incandescent bulbs.  I'll be adding some decorative LED's shortly, and I'm not worried about it whatsoever. 

That said, if my bike is on, but not idling, there is very little power going to the lights/etc... headlight dims a bit and turn signals will light but not always blink.  The small battery is to get my bike running, and from that point on the bike is essentially powering itself.

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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2013, 11:24:24 AM »
Hey, quick question for all that have tried this-- am I going to have problems overdrawing the battery if I'm running the 7" headlight and bullet signals? I'm pretty sure mine is the deluxe model.
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2013, 04:48:28 PM »
Hey, quick question for all that have tried this-- am I going to have problems overdrawing the battery if I'm running the 7" headlight and bullet signals? I'm pretty sure mine is the deluxe model.

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The AVL's alternator produces 196W of power. I use a 55/60W halogen and it just runs fine.
As long as the battery gets enough charge, no problem whatsoever.

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« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2013, 09:23:20 PM »
The AVL's alternator produces 196W of power. I use a 55/60W halogen and it just runs fine.
As long as the battery gets enough charge, no problem whatsoever.

           Just for shit & giggles while I was on a ride today I tried the electric start with the little battery at one of my stops. Worked just fine. Turned 901.6 - looks like I'll make my 1,000 before the snow flies. Didn't think I would. And it's running amazingly well.
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Re: Small Battery For Right Side Case - Kick Only
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2013, 05:44:57 PM »
           Just for shit & giggles while I was on a ride today I tried the electric start with the little battery at one of my stops. Worked just fine. Turned 901.6 - looks like I'll make my 1,000 before the snow flies. Didn't think I would. And it's running amazingly well.
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