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Author Topic: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?  (Read 168 times)

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530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« on: August 16, 2014, 01:08:45 AM »
I'm on the stock chain and sprockets with a little under 6k miles.  All has been good and the sprockets still look to be in good shape.  Recently though I've noticed the chain needs adjusting, once several weeks ago and again today.  I know from reading on this forum that once the stock chain starts getting touchy, just go ahead and replace it.

I ordered from my local dealer, who consulted Nfield Gear, and subsequently sent a 530 O-ring 102 with retaining clip.

Before changing out to an upgraded chain I went through this forum again and noticed that some Iron Barrels won't have enough clearance behind the inner primary, but not all.  From what I could glean it was mostly the 5 speed Iron Barrels that reported issues with fitment.

So my questions:

Is anyone with a 4 speed IB using a 530 O-ring drive chain?

Is anyone using the 530 O-ring chain successfully on any IB?
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2014, 02:42:28 AM »
It might, or might not, fit.
It depends on the individual casting, as to whether it will rub or not.
Most times, it won't fit, but some people have got lucky.
Can't tell until you try it.
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2014, 01:09:05 PM »
best rule of thumb I can merember is it
will work on the 4sp IF it has been converted to RH shift.
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2014, 01:44:28 PM »
Buy a 108 link chain.  Then go to Harbor Freight and buy a 3" grinding disc arbor and some 3" grinding discs and a small punch.  If you have a die grinder, great!  If not, these discs work very well in a drill.  With your rear wheel adjusted about a 1/4-1/2" from all the way forward, wrap the new chain around the sprockets and use a paint marker to mark where the chain meets itself.  Use the grinding disc to grind the head of the pin off of that link.  To be safe, go 1 link longer than you think you need, then go back and remove that link if it is too long.  After you grind off the head of the rivet on the link, set the link on a shallow socket and use the punch to drive the pin out of the link.  Make sure when you are adjusting the length that you are grinding the right part of the link off so that your master link will join the chain together.

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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2014, 02:10:26 PM »
best rule of thumb I can merember is it
will work on the 4sp IF it has been converted to RH shift.
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Thanks for the info Mike.  I wonder why that is?  Reading the archives around here it has been an issue of the space behind the primary.


Buy a 108 link chain.  Then go to Harbor Freight and buy a 3" grinding disc arbor and some 3" grinding discs and a small punch.  If you have a die grinder, great!  If not, these discs work very well in a drill.  With your rear wheel adjusted about a 1/4-1/2" from all the way forward, wrap the new chain around the sprockets and use a paint marker to mark where the chain meets itself.  Use the grinding disc to grind the head of the pin off of that link.  To be safe, go 1 link longer than you think you need, then go back and remove that link if it is too long.  After you grind off the head of the rivet on the link, set the link on a shallow socket and use the punch to drive the pin out of the link.  Make sure when you are adjusting the length that you are grinding the right part of the link off so that your master link will join the chain together.

Scottie J

Thanks Scottie, I have several chain breakers so the length isn't an issue.  My concern is the width of the 530 o-ring chain versus width of a 530 traditional roller. Apparently there is not enough clearance behind the primary for the 530 o-ring, especially with the retaining clip master link.

So I'll take this one back and hit up the bike stores today for a regular chain.  Thanks for the info, gentlemen...
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2014, 02:18:34 PM »
Tsubaki HD  is a good regular chain at a good price.
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2014, 02:24:43 PM »
Tsubaki HD  is a good regular chain at a good price.

+1  That's what I'm using.  No issues at all.  I think I paid $60 for mine.
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2014, 06:22:17 PM »
I'd use the regular chain. The wider ones generally rub.  ERC
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2014, 02:34:54 AM »
Thanks for the info Mike.  I wonder why that is?  Reading the archives around here it has been an issue of the space behind the primary.


Thanks Scottie, I have several chain breakers so the length isn't an issue.  My concern is the width of the 530 o-ring chain versus width of a 530 traditional roller. Apparently there is not enough clearance behind the primary for the 530 o-ring, especially with the retaining clip master link.

So I'll take this one back and hit up the bike stores today for a regular chain.  Thanks for the info, gentlemen...
these are still the 1950's design, they didn't have
the O-ring chains back then. They just put a new
one on and that was it. we have to remember that
these were the working mans machine designed
to be fixed on the front porch and then rode
to work on Monday.
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2014, 02:41:41 AM »
I do understand that.  I returned the o-ring chain sent by Nfield Gear, went and got a DID 530 roller for half the price, and now I'm waiting on the Shinkos to arrive on Monday so I can do the rubber and the chain all at the same time.  Glad I got other things to ride B-)
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2014, 02:47:32 AM »
.....now I'm waiting on the Shinkos to arrive on Monday so I can do the rubber and the chain all at the same time......

Did you order some 705s?   ???
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2014, 02:50:03 AM »
Did you order some 705s?   ???

100/90  19  B-)
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2014, 02:52:53 AM »
100/90  19  B-)

Best tires I've ever used.  :)
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Re: 530 O-Ring 102 work on 4speed Iron Barrel?
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2014, 02:55:10 AM »
Best tires I've ever used.  :)

After I saw the abuse you gave 'em and they held up, I figure they'll be great with my putting around without breaking the bank   :)
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