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Hondohm

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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2013, 07:32:44 PM »
You guys have to understand  that you can get a lot more power out of a water cooled engine because if a more stable environment allows for tighter clearances, and more compression in the engine. How many aircooled liter bike engines are out there that produced nearly 200 horsepower? They are all water cooled. The air cooled engines are lucky to break 100 HP.
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My water-cooled CBR250R makes around peak 24HP, more than my C5 had.  Doesn't hurt that it's redline is a ridiculous 10.5k rpm's (I seldom go higher than 7).  Torque is more on the RE, of course, but in normal riding I don't notice much difference.

The new Harleys have the Revolution X motor, son of the VRod motor, and it is a very strong, well-built motor.
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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2013, 12:43:11 AM »
I can't seem to find pictures of each model.  Do the 500 and 750 look the same, just a different engine displacement?  And are the engines similar like the 883 and 1200?  Just swap pistons and cylinders basically?

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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2013, 01:37:51 AM »
I can't seem to find pictures of each model.  Do the 500 and 750 look the same, just a different engine displacement?  And are the engines similar like the 883 and 1200?  Just swap pistons and cylinders basically?

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As far as I can tell, the 750 has a glossy tank while the 500 has a matt black tank.  Also, the 750 engine has highlighted edges, white in color.  There are probably other differences.  I haven't checked the HD website, but they probably have better pix.
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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2013, 02:03:54 AM »
check out street.h-d.com for details about the new 500 and 750. They are basically the same motorcycles with a different bore in the engine. In fact their stated weight is the same for both. Horsepower specs have not been announced.

I think they will fill a need. Also, the dealers in the United States have been clamoring for something to replace the Buell Blast for their Riders Edge class. Its the Harley Branded version of the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Beginner Riders course.

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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2013, 03:39:52 AM »
I can't seem to find pictures of each model.  Do the 500 and 750 look the same, just a different engine displacement?  And are the engines similar like the 883 and 1200?  Just swap pistons and cylinders basically?

Scott

Here's a link to Cycle World's picture gallery and the article it comes from.  I believe the 500 is in front and the 750 is the white one in back:
http://www.cycleworld.com/olgallery/107332/107354/17
http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/11/04/2014-harley-davidson-street-500-and-street-750-revealed-at-eicma-2013/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=2014-harley-davidson-street-500-and-street-750-revealed-at-eicma-2013
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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2013, 03:44:29 AM »
Awwwww.  It's so cute with it's itsy bitsy little V-twin.   ;D   Too bad it just looks like another regular ol' Harley.

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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2013, 03:49:07 AM »
Awwwww.  It's so cute with it's itsy bitsy little V-twin.   ;D   Too bad it just looks like another regular ol' Harley.

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Hey!  It looks like my Yamaha Bolt with a different back seat and a kicked out fork!  :o
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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2013, 04:52:42 AM »
  I think we are seeing the end of the 55 + odd years of the Sportster.... At least for the 883.  At about a 100 pounds lighter, the 750 makes about the same hp at around 7500 rpms, and the torque numbers are around the same at 44 ft lbs. The bike should get along pretty well.....  54 bhp, should be around the mid forties at the wheel, without mods.   I think it would make an 883 feel almost truck like.....
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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2013, 01:50:07 PM »
IDK, I guess maybe I'd have to actually ride 1 instead of forming a biased opinion based on my previous experiences with H-D.  The '74 Sportster I rode just wasn't comfortable at all, and the '05 Road King was so damn heavy I almost threw my back out trying to back it out of the parking stall.  And then it rattled my bones so bad I only rode for about 3 miles before I said "Fuck this shit" and turned around and took it back to the owner saying "no thank you".  There was a couple others as well but they're all the same.  I was born and raised an hour away from the H-D factory always thinking "I'm going to own 3 Harleys when I grow up."  And then I rode a couple and I've just never been a fan since.  It doesn't help that most times when I wave to a H-D rider while I'm riding that they are too cool to acknowledge me because I'm not on a Hog.  I realize not everyone with a Harley acts this way, but I have have NEVER been waved at or back by someone wearing "colors".  I guess I'm just not cool enough.  Nah, it's clear I'm just too cool for them.   ;)

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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2013, 02:21:52 PM »
Scottie,
I hear ya, and I have had two HDs.  One an overweight pig, one an overweight Sportster which felt light compared to an Electra Glide.  I didn't know better.  And yes, those in colors only talk to their own.  That's a bit different than the poseurs in their pirate costumes.  I've actually seen grown men wearing Sons of Anarchy on their backs ha ha ha!  There are cool HD riders though.  The guys who don't need Viagra or Cialis and a costume to, well, you know.  ;)
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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2013, 03:04:08 PM »
A Harley rider once gave me 20% of a wave back.

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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2013, 03:24:29 PM »
Yup,  there are a whole lot of other bikes out there in the world.

It's just another clone of a Japanese cruiser clone with a H-D badge slapped on it.
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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2013, 04:11:48 PM »
Photo 21 on the Cycle World site shows a hipster riding the thing.
http://www.cycleworld.com/olgallery/107332/107341/21
That may be wishful thinking. The way that fork is raked, I think this really is a way to sell the typical Harley mystique (or whatever it is) to India. Certain things about it, the size, the price, etc., have to be more appropriate for the Indian market to be able to sell them in significant numbers, but they want it to look like a typical (or stereotypical) Harley.

I think the hipsters would prefer something that looks more like the Model K. (And so would I!)
http://www.classic-car-history.com/harley-davidson-k-model-history.htm
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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2013, 04:24:02 PM »
Having owned a couple of bobbed Pan Heads back in the day, I would compare them to Malingering, Oily, Pet Locomotives. Fun when behaving but not very reliable.
  I have come to the opinion that today, Harleys are more about THEATER than transportation.
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Re: 500 cc Harley
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2013, 06:22:38 PM »
You all are missing the point.  You can now look just as cool parked in front of Starbucks for LESS MONEY!  And though the bike is cheaper the mass manufactured accessories to make it yours are the same price and cost just as much to install so the dealer still makes money.  Win-win.

Seriously though, I'd love to see HD do something really different.  It seems their marketing has been too successful.  They aimed to sell the old school, heavy, loud, rumbly bikes to baby boomers and they did.  They sold the dream.  Of course, now if you try to change the dream you can't.  They don't make standard bikes, they don't make sports bikes, they make raked out cruisers with air cooled engine and any deviation from that spoils the dream.  The V-Rod is just a small step away from that and the purists hate it.  Water cooled?  Hate it. 

To be fair though, it seems these smaller bikes are aimed at selling the dream in other countries.  And over there they may be more willing to accept something that doesn't exactly match the classic blueprint.

Scott
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