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Author Topic: EPA votes down E15  (Read 1720 times)

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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2013, 05:28:11 PM »
E85 is most certainly less efficient than standard petrol.  BUT it does work great in performance applications where you need something more stable than regular pump gas but is more easily accessible than race fuel.  But with any fuel and application it's all about the tuning.

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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2013, 05:54:09 PM »
I've heard that after all the processing and accounting for the lower energy alcohol holds compared to gas, we get about a 20% better return on alcohol.  Then figure that gas is 10% alcohol, so 20% x 10% = 2%.  So I guess that's about how much less oil we use.  Not bad when you consider our nation's total oil bill but far from the holy grail that was promised.  I'm all for alcohol but A) find a more efficient way to make it and B) make sure everyone's vehicle can run on it, or provide regular gas as an available alternative.

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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2013, 06:18:06 PM »
  They SHOULD find something to do with these MOUNTAINS of leaves ,you see here in the northeast this time of year...... Seems like a waste.

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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2013, 06:20:58 PM »
Or use them as fuel to heat the corn mash in your still....

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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2013, 06:25:10 PM »
Or use them as fuel to heat the corn mash in your still....

  LMAO !...... No they burn up too damn quick. Hickory's more efficient so I hear.   Can't get away with that around here anyway...  :-\
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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2013, 07:05:05 PM »
Here is a very good read on the subject of ethanol fuels. Again - its a great motor fuel - and it would be a great way to get rid of many types of fermentable waste whilst leaving food crops alone .... except for the involvement of Big Bidniss. Read on .....

http://www.environmentalhistory.org/billkovarik/research/henry-ford-charles-kettering-and-the-fuel-of-the-future/
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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2013, 08:17:11 PM »
Hoo-rah for a decent decision! 

In town we have three places where one can get 90 octane ethanol-free gasoline.  My 'lil thumper likes the stuff, but can use the E10 if needed.

Besides, excess corn should be used to make more bourbon!   ;)
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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2013, 08:50:44 PM »
Just out of curiosity I took a peek for ethanol free gas, and there's a stations just a mile or two from my house :)

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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2013, 12:46:51 AM »
If you get about 30% less economy you do the math. I think grain based  ethanol is one if the greatest hoaxes ever pulled off on the public.

            It was a way to pay off large campaign contributors & keep them contributing. Also a way for our idiot government to convince other idiots that they were "doing something" about our "energy problem".

             Whatever the government does or takes over, it costs 10X the estimates & never solves the problem it was supposed to solve. And never goes away.

             We HAVE no energy policy; never have & never will.
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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2013, 03:44:55 AM »
            It was a way to pay off large campaign contributors & keep them contributing. Also a way for our idiot government to convince other idiots that they were "doing something" about our "energy problem".

             Whatever the government does or takes over, it costs 10X the estimates & never solves the problem it was supposed to solve. And never goes away.

             We HAVE no energy policy; never have & never will.

+1  And it takes a truck running diesel to deliver.  Since our Congress under Mr. O dropped the incentives to run biodiesel that were implemented under Mr. Bush, Biodiesel is moving very slowly.  Yep, Libs: bought and sold on corn.
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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2013, 11:21:47 AM »
       

Whatever the government does or takes over, it costs 10X the estimates & never solves the problem it was supposed to solve. And never goes away.

And the same numbnuts are "taking charge" of our healthcare.

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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2013, 03:39:32 PM »
This isn't dead in the water...Just a pause in the debate..

E15 is a fuel blend of 15 percent ethanol and 85 percent gasoline that the EPA has approved for use in 2001-and-newer passenger vehicles but not for motorcycles, ATVs, boats, lawn mowers and other small engines. Ethanol is grain alcohol produced from crops such as corn that is mixed with gasoline to produce an ethanol-gasoline blend motor fuel.
"The bottom line," said Allard, "is that this decision certainly slows the unnecessary rush on bringing E15 fuels to market for at least the next year, but it doesn't address the central issue that real-world motorcyclists face, and that is that no motorcycle currently on the road is approved for E15 use, and the risk of inadvertent misfueling is tremendous once it is available at the pump.
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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2013, 04:42:50 PM »
This isn't dead in the water...Just a pause in the debate..

E15 is a fuel blend of 15 percent ethanol and 85 percent gasoline that the EPA has approved for use in 2001-and-newer passenger vehicles but not for motorcycles, ATVs, boats, lawn mowers and other small engines. Ethanol is grain alcohol produced from crops such as corn that is mixed with gasoline to produce an ethanol-gasoline blend motor fuel.
"The bottom line," said Allard, "is that this decision certainly slows the unnecessary rush on bringing E15 fuels to market for at least the next year, but it doesn't address the central issue that real-world motorcyclists face, and that is that no motorcycle currently on the road is approved for E15 use, and the risk of inadvertent misfueling is tremendous once it is available at the pump.

Yes, not to mention that all the car manufacturers warn against using E15 in their regular engines because the fuel systems aren't designed for it.  How many people have an ECO, multifuel vehicle designed to run on E15?  Very few.
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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2013, 11:09:21 PM »
And that explains why the big auto makers are not lobbying against E85.

When E85 is about the only fuel that's easily obtainable most of the existing cars will be unusable.  The only "fix" will be to buy a new car that's made to run on the stuff.
A instant market for 150 million cars will be created. :(
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Re: EPA votes down E15
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2013, 10:10:19 PM »
And a 150 million graveyard?

The horror...  :o
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