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Author Topic: Badger guys on Cafe Racer  (Read 773 times)

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Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« on: December 01, 2013, 08:19:14 PM »
Saw them this morning. Pretty interesting, they speed trialed it and reached 98mph. Also, a dude and his wife ruin a KTM. good show.

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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2013, 07:37:06 AM »
I lost a lot of interest in the Badger project once they stopped working with Ace. I am sure once winter sets in for real and I am going stir crazy I will find and watch it and probably enjoy it, just not as much...

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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2013, 04:29:14 PM »
Not exactly sure how, but somebody in the U.K. posted up the entire episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcLGtYm-Dz0

It is hopefully, at least, entertaining. Hope you enjoy it.

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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2013, 05:37:23 PM »
Interesting viewing.  That KTM build was a disaster.  I was always waiting to flip back to the RE build as fast as possible.  98.13 is plenty fast on that little bike. 
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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2013, 09:43:34 PM »
That KTM...lol...my kids woulda dug it...they're into "steam-punk"...whatever that is. It was novel I'll just leave it at that...
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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2013, 09:46:15 PM »
What happened to Ace being part of the team? I imagine race rules prohibited the 535cc's?

the KTM was ugly as Sin, and I 'get'steampunk and even appreciate it...

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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2013, 10:46:30 PM »
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What happened to Ace being part of the team? I imagine race rules prohibited the 535cc's?

Yes. For the LSR stuff the bike went back to a strict 500cc, as opposed to the overbore (i.e. Fireball spec) it was allowed to run at Mid-O.

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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2013, 10:50:03 PM »
535 is a cheater motor at Mid Ohio.  ;)  .080" max overbore for singles. You running the Ohio Mile again this year?


Yes. For the LSR stuff the bike went back to a strict 500cc, as opposed to the overbore (i.e. Fireball spec) it was allowed to run at Mid-O.

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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2013, 11:34:05 PM »
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535 is a cheater motor at Mid Ohio.    .080" max overbore for singles.

Ha! Right you are!

The bike was legal at Mid-O due to its one off Ace piston, the 80 over allowance netted 522cc, if memory serves. But to build it back to a 500 would have required ACE to do another one off, which for a number of reasons no one was really up for.

Ohio Mile next year? Don't know. We went back September of 2012, after the Cafe Racer thing, and not only bettered the 98 (which was a new class record for Ohio) with a new MPS/PG record of 101.7mph, but set 3 other class records as well.

A team running a Buell Blast (500cc puchrod) has since broken our MPS/PG record with a 103 and then raised their own record to 110. We still have quite a lot of potential in the Badger, with mid to hi teens very possible. But I know the Buell will be VERY highly developed for 2014, running among other thing a very sophisticated EFI system. Their goal, as I understand it, is 135. Which, of course, would be VERY hard to compete against. Especially with our budget, which usually hovers around non-existent. I like a challenge, but against THAT, might be time to call it a day. At least at Ohio. The Loring, Maine records however, are still very much with in reach.  ;)

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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2013, 12:04:47 AM »
Damn. I was hoping the record was still around 100. Efi should have its own class for that. Damn buells.
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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2013, 12:06:55 AM »
Just how much hp do you need to get to 135 mph ?

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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2013, 12:49:36 AM »
Is that fireball 1 on the trailer?
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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2013, 01:16:10 AM »
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Is that fireball 1 on the trailer?

Yes.

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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2013, 01:27:44 AM »
I didn't realize the Buell had a pushrod motor.   ???
What's the record for MPS-PF 500?

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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2013, 01:41:14 AM »
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What's the record for MPS-PF 500?

95.3729 mph, which we still hold. But I'm guessing not for long.

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Re: Badger guys on Cafe Racer
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 02:36:06 PM »
We are feeling pretty confident right now that the new Ace GP Head with provision for .600" valve lift is going to make a pretty big impact on pushrod 500 racing this year.
We suspect that it might reach that 135 mph speed in the right bike.
This is our first real all-out racing effort with a Bullet head.

We must remember that the original Badger with the 500+.080" overbore Fireball engine was a street rod bike that was made to ride to the track and race, and then ride home. This was the intent.
The intent was not an all-out track build. It was to be a modern "Clubman" like they used to ride to the racetracks on week-ends in the old days, remove the headlight and put on number plates and race, and then ride home afterwards on the same bike.
And it was a success at that, even if it didn't win at the track, and even if it had a few teething pains on its maiden voyage at Mid-Ohio. It was a brand new build with some experimental things that didn't have time to be sorted out on track days, and we were all new at this race track thing with a Bullet, and it still turned out okay and succeeded at the actual goal.
I have no regrets about it. I think we could have done better, in hindsight. But it is in the books now, and I think it was essentially a success at what was intended.
Kudos to the whole Badger team and staff for making it happen.
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