HPRE

Menu

Members Rides

Summer Flyscreen


in
Members Rides

56 Guests, 8 Users (1 Hidden)
mattsz, Candoman, gizzo, 1thump, ace.cafe, Mr.Mazza, Desi Bike
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
October 23, 2014, 09:21:04 PM

Login with username, password and session length

 

Author Topic: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL  (Read 2248 times)

Blltrdr

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1762
  • Karma: 0
  • cycle-delic music
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2014, 08:26:15 PM »
Are Electra primary cases vented? Is that why you said it will blow out? I think the amount of oil recommended was 840ml which is double the usual amount. Maybe that amount wasn't recommended for the Electra model.
2003 Classic 500 5 spd
1992 Kawasaki ZG 1200 Voyager XII
1977 Yamaha XS 360-2D (Cafe Project)

boggy

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1803
  • Karma: 0
  • Karma Ultra: 7
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2014, 04:08:42 PM »
I thought it was vented but I see that it's not. Maybe it's escaping out the chain when it gets all over the back of the bike on an overfill?
2007 AVL
2006 DRZ400SM

DanB

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 500
  • Karma: 0
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2014, 04:23:19 PM »
It is vented if the line is clear or has not been capped off. I run nearly a full liter of oil in the primary of my 2006 Electra. Basically to try and save the sprag. Never had any problems and I keep the vent line clear just in case.
Suppose I were an idiot, and suppose I were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. ... Mark Twain
2006 AVL Electra

Blltrdr

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1762
  • Karma: 0
  • cycle-delic music
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2014, 07:12:44 PM »
I thought it was vented but I see that it's not. Maybe it's escaping out the chain when it gets all over the back of the bike on an overfill?

Well if that is the case your seal is probably shot. Do yo have fluid coming out of that seal where the shaft comes into the primary? If so it should be replaced and in doing so you will have to remove most everything in the primary to get at it.
2003 Classic 500 5 spd
1992 Kawasaki ZG 1200 Voyager XII
1977 Yamaha XS 360-2D (Cafe Project)

boggy

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1803
  • Karma: 0
  • Karma Ultra: 7
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2014, 07:57:49 PM »
Oh man - ok.  I'll have to check.  I'll take it apart this weekend and assess the damage.  I'm glad I mentioned the fluid leak, I thought it was standard operating procedure for overfilling.  Thanks for the heads up. 
2007 AVL
2006 DRZ400SM

Blltrdr

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1762
  • Karma: 0
  • cycle-delic music
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2014, 09:22:27 PM »
Oh man - ok.  I'll have to check.  I'll take it apart this weekend and assess the damage.  I'm glad I mentioned the fluid leak, I thought it was standard operating procedure for overfilling.  Thanks for the heads up.

Before you tear it apart, verify primary fluid running down the backside of inner primary case where shaft enters using a mirror and flashlight. You also might want to check for leaks under the inner primary case where it attaches to the crankcase. If you do install a new seal, wrap a thin piece of plastic (Coke bottle) around the shaft and slide the seal onto the plastic glide it over plastic and bolt in place and remove plastic. This will insure you don't damage seal on the splines of the shaft. Another thing to observe is possible leakage from your shaft from the gearbox. This is one other reason using ATF is recommended. Red oil makes it much easier verify. You can also have leakage from your crank seal that drips oil into your primary. This is hard to detect if your using engine oil in the primary also. Just something to think about. Just for troubleshooting you could add some ATF to your primary to change the color of the oil and while you have it running use the mirror and flashlight to see where your leak originates. Verify that the gearbox is/isn't leaking at the same time.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2014, 09:25:00 PM by Blltrdr »
2003 Classic 500 5 spd
1992 Kawasaki ZG 1200 Voyager XII
1977 Yamaha XS 360-2D (Cafe Project)

boggy

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1803
  • Karma: 0
  • Karma Ultra: 7
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2014, 04:08:04 PM »
I did not have anytime to spend on the bike this weekend but I did drain the primary and was a bit surprised.  I probably added half a quart of oil just recently because I thought I had a leak that as draining it.  I don't think I did have one though, as 1.5 quarts of oil came out of the primary.  So like you suggested, Blltrdr, I don't think the primary case itself was leaking.  Really had me scratching my head as I was "certain" it was so I'll have to see if it's the other sources you mentioned.

However, why would I get oil all over the back of my bike from overfilling the primary?  Too much pressure forced it out elsewhere?
2007 AVL
2006 DRZ400SM

jeburns55

  • Neophyte
  • *
  • Posts: 2
  • Karma: 0
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2014, 09:56:09 PM »
Yep - that's it. 
Not a stupid question.  Yes, that is what I'm referring to.

Hmm, actually I found that under the small cover held on with two screws on the right side of my bike above the kick starter is the oil filter; that can't be where I adjust the clutch, is it?  Any idea where to look on my 2009 G5?

boggy

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1803
  • Karma: 0
  • Karma Ultra: 7
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2014, 10:10:42 PM »
The adjuster is under the small plate that says "5-Speed" on my 2007 Electra AVL.  I do not know if that is the case on a modern UCE bike.
2007 AVL
2006 DRZ400SM

ERC

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1546
  • Karma: 0
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2014, 12:13:37 AM »
It's probably leaking because it's so hot in CA. and the oil is getting to thin not like it was in Boston, when it was so cold the oil was like grease.  ;D  ERC
2-57 Apaches, 2-57 Trailblazers, 60 Chief, 65 Interceptor, 2004 Bullet, 612 Bullet chopped.

boggy

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1803
  • Karma: 0
  • Karma Ultra: 7
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2014, 04:13:56 PM »
I think you are on to something  8)
2007 AVL
2006 DRZ400SM

heloego

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 573
  • Karma: 0
  • 2012 Royal Maroon C5 Special
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2014, 02:33:54 AM »
On the UCE mills, the clutch adjustment is just forward of the clutch arm on the top of the left side of the case. Can't miss it.
Rather than have a homeless person for the holidays, I decided to stick with ham.

boggy

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1803
  • Karma: 0
  • Karma Ultra: 7
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2014, 07:36:57 PM »
Use a thick piece of glass if you have one to check the flatness of the plates.

Using ATF as Ace and others suggest is the consensus. I use Castrol F type in mine.

I also use some kerosene in a spray bottle to clean the inside of the primary. I also use the kerosene to clean the clutch pack.

I've got things pulled apart and removed the plates.  I do not have a thick piece of glass but after reading the Snidal manual I figured an easy thing to start with would be to clean the plates.

To clean them should I just soak them in a tub of kerosene?  Maybe wipe them with a rag? 

Snidal also calls to and clean the clutch throw out pad. 

I will refill with ATF.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2014, 07:49:44 PM by boggy »
2007 AVL
2006 DRZ400SM

Blltrdr

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1762
  • Karma: 0
  • cycle-delic music
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2014, 08:43:55 PM »
Shouldn't have to soak the parts. I just use some kerosene and a parts brush. You definitely want to check the plates for warping. Check the friction plates for damage. Replace bad parts.
2003 Classic 500 5 spd
1992 Kawasaki ZG 1200 Voyager XII
1977 Yamaha XS 360-2D (Cafe Project)

mattsz

  • Grand Gearhead
  • *****
  • Posts: 2670
  • Karma: 0
  • moto-gurdyist
Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2014, 09:29:52 PM »
What symptoms appear if clutch plates aren't flat?