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Author Topic: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL  (Read 2333 times)

Blltrdr

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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2014, 05:10:09 PM »
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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2014, 07:16:13 PM »
I had a big long drawn out response, but I'll sum it up.  Hypocrite.  You keep pointing out my faults but yet you refuse to respond to anything I've called you out on.  Bye.
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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2014, 07:43:06 PM »
I had a big long drawn out response, but I'll sum it up.  Hypocrite.  You keep pointing out my faults but yet you refuse to respond to anything I've called you out on.  Bye.

I didn't attack you.

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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2014, 08:25:53 PM »
Wow.... You guys are a piece of work!!!!  I'm sure the OP is glad they asked for help with assistance like you offer. 
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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2014, 08:35:47 PM »
If the OP (Boggy) reads between the lines (posts) he will be able to figure it all out. He is now privy to the lingo (nomenclature).
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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2014, 05:59:53 PM »
Actually very helpful.  One thing that was throwing me off was that when I pulled my plates out, it was so sticky in there the last "dished" plate remained and I was counting 1 too few.

I'm going to go with Snidal's lingo, although I understand it much more now with the information listed here.

I have 5 friction plates and 5 intermediate plates.  3 of my 5 intermediate plates are flat, the two outer ones are dished.  The outer most component is my pressure plate.  How did I do?  I think I'm getting it.

So the outer most plate... what Snidal calls the Pressure plate... can get warped too?  I'll have to check that one.

I find it hard to check the flatness of the "friction" plates because of their little grab-teeth (Boggy-lingo).  They don't sit flush on a piece of glass.

I emailed Hitchcocks regarding Surflex plates and NField regarding Barnett to get some price quotes.  Here is Hitchcock's response:

"Dear Sir,
If you choose to use the Surflex plates you will need to convert to a 4 plate clutch.  The reason is that the Surflex plates are thicker and 5 Surflex plates cannot be fitted into the AVL clutch basket.  This will also influence the number of intermediate plates you may need."


First of all, they called me "Sir," so look out Sir Paul.  Second, I don't want to convert to a 4 speed.  I saw a kit on Hitchcock's that included a spacer for the primary cover to accommodate the thicker plates.  Blltrdr... what did you end up with when going with Surflex...  4 speed or 5 with the spacer?

I'm going to wait to see what Tim at NField says about the Barnetts.  He's always been super helpful with parts.  This is my first time in ANY clutch so it's a learning process.  I'm hoping I can get the 5 friction, 5 intermediate and 6 heavy-duty springs and that they will give me a brand new clutch feel.

Thanks for the info.
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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2014, 09:03:03 PM »

"Dear Sir,
If you choose to use the Surflex plates you will need to convert to a 4 plate clutch.  "




Check that again. Their "plates" are thicker. Fewer plates, not fewer gears.

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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2014, 10:44:34 PM »
Thanks.  I was misunderstanding how it works.  What then, is the difference of having 4 or 5 different plates?
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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2014, 10:52:30 PM »
Boggy I have a 4 spd clutch pack (using the Surflex plates)  with 5 spd gearbox. One less friction and steel flat plate for that setup. I don't use a spacer. Not really sure what you mean by spacer needed.
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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2014, 11:27:57 PM »
Misunderstood again - There is a pressure plate kit on Hitchcocks that doesn't fit the stock case so they provide a spacer for the cover.  I was thinking of that.

OK thanks ... so as I understand it you really can put those thicker plates in because the space inside is the same as having 5 thinner ones.  Other than that, it functions the same.


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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2014, 03:13:36 AM »
With the aftermarket plates, it will function better than stock. But yes it will function the same. When I swapped  out my 4spd to a 5spd I thought the 5spd clutch pack would be the ticket. Very dissapointed. Replaced with the Surflex pack and not one slip since.
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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2014, 03:34:03 PM »
That is good to hear.
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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2014, 07:14:58 PM »
The replacement plates are bit more than I want to spend at the moment so I think it's worth cleaning the ones I have.  I have another bike to ride now so I'm patient.

Is there an alternative to kerosene for cleaning the plates?  I can't find it in less than a gallon tin and I don't need/want that much.  Anything else I can clean them with that is easy to find/dispose of?
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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2014, 09:59:42 PM »
A can of brake cleaner would work great. I use kerosene in my parts washer which takes ten gallons to fill the washer tub and it's cheap and last a very long time.
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Re: Cannot adjust clutch on AVL
« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2014, 10:22:48 PM »
Excellent, thanks.
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