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Author Topic: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief  (Read 1082 times)

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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2014, 01:24:26 PM »
Sand is right to bad it's to cold in the shop, I could have looked and not made such a stupid statement.  ERC
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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2014, 01:55:41 PM »
Ummmmmmmm.......    ???

I'm not sure who you talked to but ALL the gear box sprockets are the same.  Compare the pic you just posted to the pic they have posted on the link I posted previously.  They're identical.  You will want to order either a 21 tooth or a 22 tooth as the 16" Chief wheel make the gearing extra short.

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In all seriousness, I just searched for a good half hour and there is NOTHING available for this particular sprocket.


I asked a shop with high tech equipment for an estimate to make one and they said $350. Each additional one was like $40.

I'll pull the sprocket off of my tranny and take it to a couple different machine shops this week and see if I can find a cheaper price.  My sprocket is worn pretty bad, but it's still intact.  There are probably a hundred different machine shops in the Denver metro, I'll talk to my Brit bike parts suppliers and see who those 2 recommend.  This is a bummer.  Just when I thought I was going to save a few bucks on my Bonneville build, now I have to have a custom sprocket made.   It never ends.  LOL  We should look into a group buy tho, it would save everyone some money.  And once the sprocket is tooled, future sprockets will be much cheaper the 2nd go round.

Scottie
« Last Edit: January 25, 2014, 02:03:38 PM by Scottie J »
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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2014, 02:52:05 PM »
The AM gearbox was purchased for use in the manufacture of the 1959 models on but only the Chief and Apache were produced by that time frame. I've never owned a Chief to scope out in detail the final drive arrangement. A wider tire/wheel combo likey required spacing the final drive chain out just a bit more to clear the fat tire. I'll have to check my Apache & Chief parts list and see if they used the same front sprocket on the final drives. The Apache did have a ball ramp clutch so it may have had the same set up. I have a 59 Apache trany somewhere in my stuff but I'm pretty sure I don't have any Chief  stuff.

Scottie J, you might consider a change to an H type gearbox if you are using a narrower tire/combo like the Constellation and Interceptor used. It may not be quite as strong as the AM series gearbox but they were strong enough and can be converted back to the pushrod clutch of the later Interceptor models. The ball ramp clutch was not the best idea that Royal Enfield came up with. The H series are much easier to get parts for.
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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2014, 04:35:16 PM »

Scottie J, you might consider a change to an H type gearbox if you are using a narrower tire/combo like the Constellation and Interceptor used. It may not be quite as strong as the AM series gearbox but they were strong enough and can be converted back to the pushrod clutch of the later Interceptor models. The ball ramp clutch was not the best idea that Royal Enfield came up with. The H series are much easier to get parts for.

Well, with all the problems I have with the Albion on The Blackhawk, and taking into consideration that I'm trying to lay down 100hp+ at the rear wheel, I really need the extra beefiness the AM gearbox provides.  I just assume have a custom sprocket made, even if it means dropping $350.

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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2014, 10:58:02 PM »
I would be keen to buy a rear sprocket too.  If a group build goes ahead would whoever organises it be able send one to Australia, I pay all costs of course.

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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2014, 11:29:29 PM »
I would be keen to buy a rear sprocket too.  If a group build goes ahead would whoever organises it be able send one to Australia, I pay all costs of course.

Regards Charles


I don't see that being a problem.   :)
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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2014, 10:20:42 AM »
When looking for a gear maker...use the search terms "gear hobber", or Gear cutter. Not a lot of CNC shops can properly cut gears and then know enough about having them heat treated properly.

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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2014, 12:32:05 PM »
When looking for a gear maker...use the search terms "gear hobber", or Gear cutter. Not a lot of CNC shops can properly cut gears and then know enough about having them heat treated properly.

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Are you offering your services?  ???  ;)  Because well, damn it!  Someone needs to be making these damn sprockets!
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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2014, 09:50:28 PM »
Rather than getting a new sprocket made, would it be possible to replace the main sleeve with one that is made to take the H49 sprocket?  You would then have a choice of 20T, 21T, or 22T sprockets.

Regards Charles
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1958 Indian Chief 700 twin (SMPB 9002 the 2nd ever made)
1960 Indian Chief 700 twin
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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2014, 06:31:34 PM »
Being that RE parts are very limited in sourcing, especially for the Twins, I have been looking at the possibilities of using other Brit bike parts .  Does anyone with more knowledge than me think that these sprockets will work with the AM gearbox for the Chief?

http://www.rgmnorton.co.uk/buy/commando-gearbox-sprocket-22-teeth-5-8-x-3-8_1059.htm

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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2014, 08:58:55 PM »
Hi Scottie,

An Indian made main sleeve will fit on an Interceptor main shaft, I know as I have done this with my Interceptor.  I haven't pulled the gearbox apart on my Chief to test whether it will fit.  If it does then you can simply buy a drive sprocket from H's and you have a choice of T16-T22, however you would like to set it up.  I have asked someone more knowledgeable than myself about this and I hope to have confirmation one way or the other shortly.

Regards Charles
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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2014, 10:36:57 PM »
Cool.  Keep me posted please.  :)
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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2014, 12:07:16 AM »
That'll be interesting to see Chief. I've got a tranny here but didn't feel like pulling the sprocket off to find out. I did the same thing that you did on a normal tranny myself.  ERC
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Re: Gear box sprocket for a 59 Chief
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2014, 10:44:02 AM »
So the news isn't good Scottie.

Regards Charles

G'day Charles,I don't have any internals from an H-type Bullet or twin 'box to hand, but I seem to recall that the sleeve has 5 splines each end. The AM I had on the bench a few weeks ago had 6, both ends. If new sprockets are not available, I reckon you only have a few options: commission some, find a good used one, get an old sprocket retoothed, or fit a different 'box. The 'standard' Albion 4-speed 'box, with either pushrod or scissor clutch, as used on nearly all the other twins, will  [/color][/size]bolt straight in. If you do this, be prepared to address chain alignment and clearance issues if you are sticking with the fat 16" wheel and tyre.[/color][/font][/size]
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1955 Indian Tomahawk 500 twin
1958 Indian Chief 700 twin (SMPB 9002 the 2nd ever made)
1960 Indian Chief 700 twin
1964 Interceptor Mk1 750 twin
1967 Interceptor Mk1A 750 twin
1994 Bullet Deluxe 570 long stroke single