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Exhaust pipe
« on: April 16, 2009, 12:37:02 AM »
Kevin,  Do you have any idea how long after the C5's arrive will I have to wait to get the curved exhaust ?
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2009, 05:07:47 AM »
I too will be interested in this answer.
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2009, 06:47:54 AM »
Most the pics I see of the C5 show it with the curve exhaust............ It would be nice if they came with it
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 12:53:47 PM »
Most the pics I see of the C5 show it with the curve exhaust............ It would be nice if they came with it

The big muffler with the catalytic converter in it is required for the emission controls needed to get importation certification. So, it will be the muffler that comes on it.
But, once you are the owner, you can modify, as  long as your state emission testing procedure  will allow it to pass without it.  Some states are stricter about this than others.
You can always keep the  stock cat muffler, and put it on when you go to the inspection station, and then put the shorty muffler back on after you get approval, if you want to do that.

BTW, that long cat muffler has a very high quality catalytic converter inside it. It is an expensive item.
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2009, 02:34:15 PM »
It may soon be illegal to tamper or replace the stock muffler on any motorcycle.  The emissions are indeed a concern for many. 

But, the "loud pipes saves lives" crowd may be their own worst enemy as they piss off many people, some of which are in a position to do something about it.

Besides, if you are using ear plugs to avoid accumulating hearing loss, the quieter muffler is likely better for you.

However, I do like the looks of the curved muffler shown on the C5 ads.

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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2009, 09:20:48 PM »
I'm not after a loud pipe, I want the look of the curved system. I'm not terribly concerned with the emmissions of a 500 single either, with all the 18 wheelers running dual straight exhaust systems on the road. ;D
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2009, 07:40:07 PM »
I remember my AMA magazine correctly this has already happened in Denver.  Just motorcycles not cars.  This is the reason the AMA is fighting the law in the courts.  If you're not a member you should consider joining.

It may soon be illegal to tamper or replace the stock muffler on any motorcycle.  The emissions are indeed a concern for many. 
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2009, 01:32:51 PM »
Most the pics I see of the C5 show it with the curve exhaust............ It would be nice if they came with it

BTW, that long cat muffler has a very high quality catalytic converter inside it. It is an expensive item.

Yes - I hope the cat lasts a long time - the cost of replacement over in the UK is 800 (that's about $900)  :'( :'( :'(
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2009, 04:25:29 PM »
You would probably be best off putting the proper exhaust on and just bolting on the Catastrophic Converter once a year for the M.O.T.
  How many 500 singles would it take to match the pollution gushing from an artic (18 wheeler over here) I wonder? Only a plonker in a suit could think of strangling an engine of such modest output, idiots!
 

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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2009, 07:16:55 PM »
You would probably be best off putting the proper exhaust on and just bolting on the Catastrophic Converter once a year for the M.O.T.
  How many 500 singles would it take to match the pollution gushing from an artic (18 wheeler over here) I wonder? Only a plonker in a suit could think of strangling an engine of such modest output, idiots!
 

Yes - I agree with you on that one - I think the uplifted 'off road use' exhaust should be available fairly soon - how long is it before you need an MOT for a new bike? Is it still 3 years?
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2009, 02:28:30 AM »
I'm not up on the U.K. regs, as I've been living stateside for 11 years now, but 3 years has a familiar ring to it.

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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2009, 12:00:58 PM »
The C5 I saw at the BMAD bike show last week had the curved exhaust, however not sure how much extra it was.

Unlike the pillion it had, the exhaust looked pretty nice, still not sure which I prefer but def nice to look at.

As for emissions laws, are they EVER intelligent and fair?  Environmental and emissions requirements are money making instruments... The amount of lunacy involved is incredible. They'll make life impossible for a small importer selling very economical, high millage vehicles hell, and then the fat cats can dump thousands of tonnes of crap into the environment without penalty.

They're trying to get water fluoridation into the UK, a waste product from aluminum production linked to A.D.D in children and increased susceptibility to many forms of cancer, yet you can no longer buy vitamins of any strength in the EU, it's all money.

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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2009, 02:54:53 AM »
You can always keep the  stock cat muffler, and put it on when you go to the inspection station, and then put the shorty muffler back on after you get approval, if you want to do that.

BTW, that long cat muffler has a very high quality catalytic converter inside it. It is an expensive item.

Ace, the point you make about the expense of cat gives good reason to use the curved one and save the stock one for inspections or resale. Does anyone know the cost of the stock cat muffler?
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2009, 03:48:27 AM »
After looking at Rusty's pictures, that stock muffler and pipe is growing on me.
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2009, 03:51:07 AM »
The only thing I ever really had against the fuel injected models was the ugly fat exhaust. :-\

If I could just swap in a "normal" looking one I might just be sold on the bike.

After test riding both AVL and EFI models, the price and ugly muff were the only things making my decision really hard.
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2009, 07:12:22 AM »
You can always keep the  stock cat muffler, and put it on when you go to the inspection station, and then put the shorty muffler back on after you get approval, if you want to do that.

BTW, that long cat muffler has a very high quality catalytic converter inside it. It is an expensive item.

Ace, the point you make about the expense of cat gives good reason to use the curved one and save the stock one for inspections or resale. Does anyone know the cost of the stock cat muffler?

Bltrdr - As I said earlier in the thread I understand the UK price for the CAT will be around 800  ::) ::).
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2009, 07:15:22 AM »
The only thing I ever really had against the fuel injected models was the ugly fat exhaust. :-\

If I could just swap in a "normal" looking one I might just be sold on the bike.

After test riding both AVL and EFI models, the price and ugly muff were the only things making my decision really hard.

I can't see any reason why you can't swap in a 'normal one' or the aftermarket uplifted one (soon to be available in the UK) - I think the sensors should be able to sort the adjustments req'd (TBC!)
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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2009, 07:19:30 AM »
I'm not up on the U.K. regs, as I've been living stateside for 11 years now, but 3 years has a familiar ring to it.

I agree - I really didn't like it & it looked even worse when I looked at one in the flesh for the first time. Saying that I've come round to it myself - it does look similar to some of the REs from the 50's. I would still probaly swap it out with an aftermarket one without the CAT (it is a seriuosly expensive bit of kit) & just put it back on for any required transport tests.
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2009, 04:45:33 PM »

Bltrdr - As I said earlier in the thread I understand the UK price for the CAT will be around 800  ::) ::).

How many pints will that buy ya? I would remove said silencer, handling with kid gloves. After removal, I would pack it away in a piece of foam and stow it somewhere safe. If they're that expensive you could probably count on the theft rate of this item going up. It's kinda like the theft of airbags because of their expense of replacement after an accident. 

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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2009, 05:17:59 PM »
The long term trick is going to be to stuff the cat inside a smaller silencer ( I saw just the cat at the factory yesterday and it is totally doable. Then finding a way to get the noice level down to meet regulations in a shorter pipe. The noise is really the rub, not the cat. The cat doesn't really detract from perfmance either

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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2009, 05:56:35 PM »
Getting both the cat and a smaller silencer?  Now you're singing my tune, Kevin.  I'd like nothing more than to ditch the torpedo and keep my bike nice and legal.  Not that it would be a persistent problem, but hey, some of the states are pretty strict about noise control.  Traffic citations take away from my aftermarket money.
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2009, 02:51:46 AM »
I'm glad I live where louder pipes are tolerated, even encouraged by the cops I've spoken to.  As for the yearly "brake tag", if you drive it in and the lights work, that's about it.  In fact ,if your vehicle looks halfway decent, they won't check a thing on it.  Where my dad lives, in Mississippi, he swears he could "get a brake tag on a three legged donkey".Gotta love the rebel South. As long as there's big rigs spewing ungodly amounts of crap into the air, screw the tree hugging nancy boys, I say!

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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2009, 02:55:48 AM »
While I'm on an exhaust rant, I wonder if we will be seeing a more classic looking "shorty" type straight muffler, with a more proportioned , shorter and less restrictive header for the U.C.E.?  In other words, a free flow system that actually looks decent too? 

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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2009, 07:17:11 AM »

Bltrdr - As I said earlier in the thread I understand the UK price for the CAT will be around 800  ::) ::).

How many pints will that buy ya? I would remove said silencer, handling with kid gloves. After removal, I would pack it away in a piece of foam and stow it somewhere safe. If they're that expensive you could probably count on the theft rate of this item going up. It's kinda like the theft of airbags because of their expense of replacement after an accident. 

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Yes - that's just what I intend to do, I understand the aftermarket 'off road' uplift pipe should be available fairly soon over in the UK.

266 pints by the way (calculated at my local pub rate) - probably about a years supply for me  ;)
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Re: Exhaust pipe
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2009, 01:20:09 AM »
the upswept pipe is a must have item for me, it just looks perfect to me.
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