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Author Topic: Even Canada is laughing at us ....  (Read 586 times)

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Re: Even Canada is laughing at us ....
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2014, 04:40:27 PM »
Sounds like it on the face of it....but its true.

So assuming that it's true, then the 1 or 2 percent who are paying the majority of taxes should have the bigger say in what directions this country is headed vice the opposite, ie. the opinion of the ones who don't pay anything or contribute nothing.  Note:  In this example, eating, breathing and excreting  is not a quantitative measure.. ::)

They do. They have lobbyists...we don't....at least I don't.

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Re: Even Canada is laughing at us ....
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2014, 12:08:58 AM »
I seriously doubt that many highly paid individuals have their own private lobbyists.
It is more likely the companies and corporations they own/work at are the things that hire lobbyists and they are usually working in the companies behalf, not the individuals.

Also, we cant forget there are lobbyists who work very hard for the groups that pander to the wishes of "the downtrodden" poor, underprivileged, "get guaranteed pay for doing nothing",  non-taxpayers too.

The news media seldom mentions these lobby's but you can be sure they are there.  Thousands of them, working for the Socialist organizations that gain power by having large  groups of people dependent on government handouts.

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Re: Even Canada is laughing at us ....
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2014, 08:01:02 PM »
I seriously doubt that many highly paid individuals have their own private lobbyists.
It is more likely the companies and corporations they own/work at are the things that hire lobbyists and they are usually working in the companies behalf, not the individuals.

Also, we cant forget there are lobbyists who work very hard for the groups that pander to the wishes of "the downtrodden" poor, underprivileged, "get guaranteed pay for doing nothing",  non-taxpayers too.

The news media seldom mentions these lobby's but you can be sure they are there.  Thousands of them, working for the Socialist organizations that gain power by having large  groups of people dependent on government handouts.

I thought those were called "Community Organizers" and "Union Lobbyists"  :-X
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Re: Even Canada is laughing at us ....
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2014, 03:32:35 AM »
I read a recent study that shows the areas with the highest incomes are most often represented by (that is, with their elected officials) the Democratic party...which is odd because they are always portraying the Repubs as the evil rich 
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Re: Even Canada is laughing at us ....
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2014, 10:48:11 PM »
The Republicans are "evil rich" because they don't believe in the socialistic, big government views of the Democrats.

If they believed in Socialist, big government  ideas, they would be "Beautifully Rich" people.

Andrew Mark Cuomo with his $24 million bank account is a good example of the Beautifully Rich.
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Re: Even Canada is laughing at us ....
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2014, 12:19:32 PM »
I am in no way a supporter of "big government"although we see to be stuck with it , and I have seen the social security system ruin people's lives in this country my creating an entitled mindset and allowing people the opportunity to waste their lives , but unfettered capitalism is wreaking absolute destruction on the natural world- the rate of species going extinct these days is comparable to the mass extinction events of the distant past . With seven billion people on the planet we really have to find a better way of sharing and using our limited resources .
Giving a greater percentage of voting power to those who pay the most tax would lead even more to policies that protect profit at the expense of the natural resources that we all share . Privatising profit and socialising loss is an effective strategy employed by large muftinationals- we see a lot of it in Australia with many of the privatisation processes of formerly govt run services. And in the mining sector with fracking spills, uranium tailings ponds leaking , pollution of the water table, logging industry, the list goes on . I guess my point is that tithe real cost of these businesses and the revenue they create for govt. or shareholders or employees is rarely reflected in the accounting. So we should think very carefully before allowing them more influence in the  democratic process .
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Re: Even Canada is laughing at us ....
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2014, 12:41:24 PM »
Sorry if I'm a bit off topic there . We have similar problems in Aus with the highest tax bracket having the most resources to minimise their tax bill through fake charities, offshore businesses   Family trusts , negative gearing and other such lurks . I often work Long overtime because the job needs to be done and pay stupid amounts because i fall into a higher bracket for a week , but hey, at least I'm working and that feels good,  most of my money goes the ex anyway ! But someone has to ask- how much money do folk really need? Income should reflect a persons effort, work and creativity - but we have lots   people making huge amounts by playing the stock market with borrowed funds and not really contributing anything . How is that right?
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Re: Even Canada is laughing at us ....
« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2014, 12:45:41 PM »
Here in the US, we have the solutions in our Constitution, but unfortunately the government completely ignores the Constitution because following it would limit their capacity to be corrupt. And the people are too preoccupied/distracted to pay any attention, and their gov't controlled schooling certainly didn't include anything about limitations on gov't. People today seem to think that gov't should decide everything that anyone may or may not do right down to toilets and light bulbs, and even life/death for some unfortunate individuals who can't speak up for themselves.

It's easy to see that the government is deeply engaged in activities that it is expressly prohibited from touching, yet totally ignores the duties that it was tasked to perform. The obvious result is the completely corrupt and criminal organization which we now are being plundered by.
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Re: Even Canada is laughing at us ....
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2014, 02:02:54 PM »
And the question that I find myself often coming back to is how should we live and behave as individuals in a system that had deserted the interests of the common man and forgotten its founding principles?
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Re: Even Canada is laughing at us ....
« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2014, 03:10:37 AM »
And the question that I find myself often coming back to is how should we live and behave as individuals in a system that had deserted the interests of the common man and forgotten its founding principles?
The political "system" which most favors the common man is the absence of any system. Political systems are the creations of central planners, and are anathema to individual freedoms. Systems are the tools of corruption and oppression. As such, if any form of system becomes necessary for a society, the most minimal and least centralized power is the least dangerous.
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Re: Even Canada is laughing at us ....
« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2014, 09:14:50 AM »
Ultimately what happens or doesn't happen here that involves government is determined by the voters.  Who gets elected on whatever platform is the choice of the people by voting or by being silent ("silence is assent", remember), as was set up by the "founding fathers" that authored our Constitution. 

If the majority of the voters aren't informed, or aren't objective about who they vote for, or don't pay attention enough to learn all that's to be known about the candidates, or don't question the ravings and rantings of propagandists and instead take them for truths in an abdication of their duties to learn and think for themselves, or have forgotten the whole compass of what the US is supposed to stand for, and a host of other irresponsible actions (or inactions) as citizens, then we get a bimodal Congress populated and directed by mediocre intellects with hidden but knowable agendas that won't govern, won't see to the general welfare of the people and a healthy direction for this country.

In short, if the government is incompetent, agenda driven and unable to negotiate and compromise within to get things done, ultimately it's the fault of the voters who elected it.  It would take 2 election cycles to fix if the majority of voters would smarten up and demand objective, intelligent governance by electing intelligent, objective representatives.
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