Call Cabelas or Sportsmans Guide quick and order a few bricks of ammo.
We are still allowed to build muzzleloaders without big brother's approval or knowledge. Sales of potasium nitrate is now being restricted and sales watched by the government. Get the picture?
"I'm seriously thinking about getting a refund......"If you can get a full refund,do it......Then visit the gun shows and purchase onefrom a private individual with one for sale-even if the cost matches what youexpect to pay now. The benefit-no documentation-and that is really what counts.....
I feel sorry for the poor souls who blindly think gun control is the answer to violence hands down. I just don't get the deep hate applied to guns and the almost total blindness to the real killer who pulls the trigger.I went to school with a girl who thought every projectile launching thing powered by powder or rubber bands should be banned so people "wouldn't get hurt anymore"...I bumped into her last year working for the cable company..... She now has 4 kids and a beard.
Well, what is your solution to control gun related crime.
How does a gun show work? You can just go in and buy from an individual directly? What about the ads in a newspaper? Same thing?
Short and sweet.... I don't think there is one. People aren't going to stop shooting people and it would be impossible to get every gun off the street. Sure the cops have those "turn your guns in" days but all that ever shows up are antique goodies that grandma doesn't want in the house anymore even though it might be a S&W rimfire revolver or grandads luger (ask me how i know)!Video games? Bad parents? The voices in my head said to? Blame it on whatever (so the perp doesn't have to account for his own actions) seems to be the norm now. People kill people with guns.....guns don't kill people. Show me a system of gun control that stops crime, supports sportsmen, and works for collectors. I'd back that in a heartbeat but Washington will never be able to do it.I'd love it if people didn't get killed by guns, it would make buying them way easier. I am dissapointed in the actions of the extreme pro-gun anti-gun forces. The harder the anti-gun people push the harder us pro gunners have to push back to keep things from becoming more regulated.... I might even have to join the NRA if things get worse soon There are some guns i'd like to see banned...... but how can you ban some and not others? Bottom line the Gov wants its fingers in every kettle on the stove and thats too much Gov!You don't want to know about 4 kids and a beard....its just too creepy! You see someone and then you see them years later with a beard that would make ZZ top envious and you wanna poke your eyes out
Not just muzzleloaders. You can legally build anything besides a machinegun if it is legal for you to own a firearm in the first place. You can just never sell any self built guns. Unless you have a Federal manufacturer's license. I've got a single shot in .22 Hornet I built many moons ago in gunsmithing school. I know of people who've built semi-autos .Unfortunately I don't have that much free time.....
Ever wonder why there is almost zero gun related crime in the UK ? Lemme tell you why, No Guns. They are illegal, period. I think a combination of multiple things: Harder punishment for gun related crime, no automatic weapons (you really do not need them, join the army if you want to use them), and other stuff........
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576406/28-gun-crimes-committed-in-UK-every-day.htmlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gun-crime+uk/ukhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6960431.stmI don't know man.....I don't think its working! I'm not trying to be a dink here, i just don't agree with the way the UK handled gun control. Sure the registered guns got turned it and now the perps are having a field day.If our Gov spent the firearms fees it collects on education instead of more federal gun BS we could begin to tackle the problem where it starts.I don't want to see anyone killed via a gun, but taking away millions of registerd guns that only a very small amount are ever used in a crime is not the way to do it. I've owned over 200 guns at this point in my life. Bought, sold, traded, etc.....usualy 25-35 at any one given time are here at the homestead. We've never had a shooting or killing here in 30 years. Proud to be an example that having guns does not lead to crimes commited I respectfully submit the following rare 1922 Enfield MkV...that would have been cut in half and destroyed were it not here in the US. Imagine slicing it with a chop saw.....makes me wanna throw up!
Homicide rate in the UK : 1.45 /100,000 populationHomicide rate in the US: 4.55/100,000 population (more than 3 times that of the UK, i.e. 200% more)Homicide with firearms in the UK: 8%Homicide with firearms in the US: 65 %I rest my case.
Eh, another example that is happening to me..Have not had a mortgage for about 9 months since we sold the big house and moved into a flip. We have no dept at all so we decided why not buy a condo-foreclosure on the beach, prices could not be better. Well, let me tell ya, we have to write a letter to the government telling then why we want a mortgage for a smaller home within 100 miles of where we live without selling the our primary residence. If we can't get a waiver we have to get a business or vacation home loan at a higher rate and shorter term. This will cost us thousands of dollars. WTF? I need government permission to get a loan?? Fanny May has to review a letter? What? I work, have no dept and good credit... F'n commies......
I know better, but... Lets assume for a moment that your statistics are correct. Are you taking into account societal differences? For instance Switzerland should be included in this discussion. They have almost universal. gun possession. Every citizen is a member of the armed forces and is required to have a weapon in the home. Their crime rate is much lower than ours.
Lahti: I understand your frustration behind two unrelated stories being presented as intricately connected. The numbers I presented ARE correct, and tell the truth: If you have fewer guns around, you have less gun related homicide.
I'll make an addition if i may: If you have fewer ILLEGAL guns around you have less gun related homicide.The problem has never been dads old shotgun or rifle he spent 30 years hunting with, its the $75 hot pistol bought under the radar in a back alley with the serial numbers filed off. Find a way to get rid of those and you've got something there. Its a shame that all the legislation in the world never seems to get those off the streets.For the record: I do not carry a loaded gun and do not keep a loaded gun in the house.
This discussion made me think of this Onion classic:http://www.theonion.com/articles/tornado-violence-are-tornadic-images-in-the-media,730/For the record, I don't think of this as a black and white, all or nothing issue. I don't own a gun, but enjoy shooting them and don't have a problem with others having guns. That said, I think there can be reasonable restrictions to gun ownership just like there are restrictions on other dangerous things like driving automobiles. Do I think very gun law out there makes sense? Not at all. I'm sure some are asinine. At the other end of the spectrum, I don't buy the notion that everybody walking around armed to the teeth makes us safer. I know some of you think there is no in between on this issue. That's ok - you can think what you want and I'll think what I want (of course I'm right though ). Does all that make me a "socialist queer"? Eamon
Does all that make me a "socialist queer"? Eamon
Excellent "food" papa! - And quite the "real world" examples as well. A man couldn't hardly argue with that.
Well, my brothers and sisters, I'm going to serve two samples of food for thought on your plates:1. Thankfully, the American Revolution succeeds for a number of reasons. Chief among them is the fact that the King allowed gun ownership in the Colony -- there were no gun bans here back then!2. Unfortunately, the Bay of Pigs Invasion failed for a number of reasons. Among the principal reasons is the fact that the Dictator did not allow gun ownership in the island nation -- there was not only a national gun ban, there had been a national confiscation of privately (and previously legally) owned rifles, shotguns and handguns!God forbid I should, again, lose the right to own firearms for the pleasure of punching holes on paper or knocking down steel plates or, God forbid, the need of defending my family or myself from an armed and dangerous attacker.In closing, each one of us has a decision choice on the legal gun ownership matter. It's great that we do live in this Bastion of Freedom! Additionally, I am not going to debate or defend my position (conviction) on the matter. Enjoy the food I shared with you, my brothers and sisters.
Ok course not Big E! "Socialist queers" can only opperate state owned, redistributed, and sanctioned property....we'd never see one on an RE!
I'm trying to imagine what a state owned/sanctioned Bullet would be like. If it was anything like the cargo van I bought from the county at their vehicle auction many years ago, it would come with brakes as some kind of weird luxury extra that you apparently had to ask for ahead of time! Eamon
Vince: Let's not conflate the issue. Keep it on gun-related-homicide. Thats the statistics I posted. They tell a story you do not want to hear, and so you run to 'crime rate' , swimming pools or the constitution. BTW, the regulat british cop on the beat is not armed. Off course there is such a thing as gun-related-homicide. That is the numbers I posted. Sure the baddies will go to knives or other weapons when guns are not around. There will always be bad eggs, and they will do what they they do. i suggest to keep them in prison longer. Taking guns away reduces the number of guns avaialble to be used illegally, makes it more difficult for them to kill people. Most illegal guns enter the market legally. Then they are sold in the grey market, dare I say gun shows, and on to the dreaded alleys. Some come from over the border illegally. Cut down on that too. You could try to dismiss the numbers as 'numbers'. Might as well burry your head in the sand. There is something seriously wrong when the homicide rate is more than 200% over the british. Is'nt it ?
"One more thing. Where in the hell do foreigners get off snivveling about our way of life here in America? What is running through their minds to think it is absolutely O.K. to voice ANY opinion [other than to the other unlucky citizens of their own country] on our politics, type of government, political situations, rate of crime, laws, or displacement of the engines in our cars, or any other matter that is, perforce, absolutely none of their damned business???" oldsaltBr. oldsalt, are the above comments related to my "food for thought" post?
"One more thing. Where in the hell do foreigners get off snivveling about our way of life here in America? What is running through their minds to think it is absolutely O.K. to voice ANY opinion [other than to the other unlucky citizens of their own country] on our politics, type of government, political situations, rate of crime, laws, or displacement of the engines in our cars, or any other matter that is, perforce, absolutely none of their damned business??? I am probably sorta an average American when it comes to harboring opinions about other countrie's internal doings. I don't even think about such things. Sure, I know that we have the right to build and fly our own airplanes here [home made more that 50%] but most others don't. Ya, we are not regulated by the government regarding what radio and TV waves we can intercept [only the transmission of radio wave is regulated here]. Its really loose here regarding cars; we can put together a hot rod for short money in our garage that will blow the doors off anything manufactured in any country and drive it on the street. I somehow know that we are superior but I would never get on the net and try to bash folks in foreign countries because of their real or perceived shortcommings."........ and we WONDER why the whole rest of the world hates us ......
ScooterAre you contending that if we announce to the world that we will never again take umbrage to anything that any member of any country says about our internal affairs, and further that we will refraim from any answering comments, that we will then be better liked? Possibly loved? Let 'em freely slap their jowles [to us] about anything they don't like and we will mearly grovel. No....Wait a minute....that is what what our government is currently doing! I just now remembered that Obama has spent considerable time during numerous trips abroad apoligising for America being such such terrorable country. Doesn't seem to have worked. They continue to hate us even after the President of the United States has done a lot of international groveling at the highest level. So how could I, a dumd 9th grade drop out from Walla Walla, resonably be expected to influence the 'foreign hate level' one way or the other? I'm thinking the chance of that happening are about the same as the chances of a tornado assembling a Boeing 747 as it passes through a junk yard.
Not to hijack things, but nice job on the stainless steel exhaust system, Ace! It looks great and it sure would be nice to have a system that won't rust out.Eamon
You've missed the point twice!
Go ahead...tell me what the point is. I can take it.
so, you haven't wasted your time... have you?
really ? hit a nerve there, eh !
Thump do you mean a law to stop the widespread purchase of auto firearms? ERC