I'd find another dealer and get the C5.
Well it's been several weeks since I posted that I put a deposit on a Black 2010 C5. Last I had heard, the bike was in customs. Yesterday, I called the dealer for an update only to find out that he refused shipment. In fact, he has informed headquarters that he refuses to sell any C5's until the unexplained wobble issues are resolved. So, if I want a C5 it's going to be from a different source or I go with a G5 if I want local support.Bummer!
I can see the dealers point (sorry); he has to spend -what- a day? making corrections to the FACTORY set-up in order to make the bike roadworthy? So he takes all this time and gets nothing for it. He could have been making money on a repair or something, but instead he has to do the factory's job. ? If he does get any remuneration, it's in the form of parts coupons- but everyone orders parts direct from the Nfield store. The life of a dealer ain't all glamor and bright lights...What am I missing?
Actually if the dealer honestly feels that RE is sending over bikes with a design flaw, or improperly assembled then I applaud his refusing delivery. If he tweaks the bike as per some have done on this forum, and the buyer has an accident, he is in for a heck of a liability lawsuit.I was considering a C5, but have read too much that sways me away from that.Here's a novel idea: Instead of jumping on the dealer, why doesnt RE just get it right at the factory.
This is why dealers charge for set up. It is part and parcel of selling a complex piece of machinery. The dealer was shirking his duty. I spend 5 to 6 hours on every bike setting it up. My customers don't have this issue, or even most of the issues talked about on this forum.
I didn't know dealers charged for set-up. I just assumed they did the minimum in order to meet a certain price point.Sooo- wouldn't running a new bike up to 65mph sort of kill the slow and steady break-in thing? Are these UCE's that different?
Maybe they want to sell Sun-L's instead ........
And scooterbob, what the hell is a Sun-L anyway?
If it makes anyone feel any better, I recommend RE's to people. I've enjoyed this thread because it helps me understand some things. I don't think anyone is bashing the brand or the motorcycles. I imagine when you're on the front lines like Mr Mahoney and S, Bub, it might be possible to lose the perspective of the "man on the street". From talks I have, The Royal Enfield name is still dragged through the mud. I have a feeling it;s going to take more than one or two good magazine reviews to get over that completely. That's why it took me so long to buy one- and I felt like I was stepping off a cliff at the time.At any rate- no specific dealers or names were bashed. I feel like continued HONEST discussion can only do the whole family good. Continued ministrations and hands-on sessions like this can only help. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The TOS say that if you have a complaint it does not belong here but rather with someone who can actually do something like us or your dealer. I can also assure you any dealer that has a problem or complaint gets immediate 911 service from us. Vince can chime in if he wants to,
What did you get??
There mighta been a red one there too, can't remember. Scratch that, No red but there was a black one in the showroom. I was only remembering what was out in the lot.Scott
I don't begrudge one penny I spent on dealer prep, I've got a hell of a good bike and a hell of a good dealer out of the deal.
Jerry, the chief technical Guru, always takes a new bike out for a 30-40 mile run after setup to begin breakin properly and to check everything out and make sure all is in top notch shape.
"Jerry! Are you slacking off and riding again while you're supposed to be working?!?""No Boss! I was checking the setup and starting the break in process properly."I'd do that too if I could call it work and get paid for it Scott
Actually Justin ordered your bike today. Think I should sit on the order for a while? Maybe see if I time it just right so you get the last Deluxe in inventory - or not? ...
I did get a notice today from the factory that they are temporarily discontinuing production of the Deluxes. .Good thing we got what we did when we did. We are the only country that orders them so I suppose sooner or later they may decide it's not worth it. The chrome tanks are really a lot of work. My first RE started life as a Black Deluxe. You will love the bike and they are becoming increasingly hard to get. (It is the original ES prototype.)If any of your are looking for one and sitting on the fence better get off while the gettin is good. Time to go to your dealer.
Oh, and I'm no legend. In police society I'm barely presentable Scott
We don't think they will discontinue the G5, at least there have not been any rumblings to that effect
We are the only country that orders them so I suppose sooner or later they may decide it's not worth it.
Quite shocked to hear this! Watsonian still advertise the Deluxe on their UK website. It's so much better looking than the standard G5. Makes me wonder if the G5 will disappear too? I sure hope not. We need a base model for all the custom versions that are out there and the Classic is way too distictive to be that. It's also a great bike in its own right.
What exactly makes the C-5 too restrictive to customize? I think it's a pretty versatile platform to work with. I think it would very easy to turn a C-5 into a cafe racer. shorter wheel base, lighter frame I believe, same power plant.
I think the side panels, batery box, mudguards and fork covers belong too distinctly to one era to do anything else with. Of course you could build a cafe racer from the frame and engine alone but that will make the conversion even more expensive than it already is and you will still end up with a bike without a kickstart.
Clubman, I agree with you that there may be a few more items to change as compared to the standard G-5. Tool box's, fork shrouds to gaiters.Battery box can stay. Remove tool box. Mudguards are changed or removed on yours. No? As far as the kick start is concerned, I do like them, and would want one. But it's redundent, and not needed. It's just extra wieght. Unless there blanking off the starter on your clubman, and running a kicker only? As far as cost is concerned, loosing the alloy tank would be a big savings, although it's beutifull, a steel tank could be used in it's place. You may still end up with a ligher bike? It is very do-able on the C-5.
Oh, DEAR! Don't get THIS guy started! I've SEEN his work before ..... You don't tell him "No ..." or "You can't do that!" - Hahahaha! 'Cuz I think he CAN! He's got a metal magma-fier or some such .... and he can USE it!
I've got a C5 but must agree that the G5 makes a nicer base for a cafe bike.Scott
You's two Guy's are just tring to get me all fired up, Ain't ya?......................Maybe perhaps we could get him to fall into that trap, Huh?..........UMMMMMMMM?? Well I tell you two smart alec's something, I may PERHAPS be up to the challenge ,If you's two's are. And another little cafe prodject I'm work'in on MAY just have to wait. I must think on this a bit A little healthy Yank vs Brit friendly competition, might be fun?............ LIT-TLE wheels Huh? UMMMMMMMMMMM? Is that all you got?Clubman my friend, would you kindly list the changes made to your bike? I'll give you the front fender, although it looks a little different then a stock G-5.What was the cost of your bike? In US dollers, please.
Dude, it's 'youz' with a 'z'. I live on the west coast now but I know Jersey. If you don't spell it that way no one outside the tri-state area will get the proper pronunciation I think you could make the C5 into a nice cafe bike but I think you'd need to cut off less and change less on a G5. Also, and maybe this is just me, the speedo face plates say everything about the character of the bike. The C5 says classic 50's beauty bike, the G5 says edgy Brit performance bike. It's always the little things.Scott
You are GOING to make me cut up a perfectly good wrecked C5 aren't you .......
First paragrpah: go for it! Second para: Cost at an exchange rate of 1.50 was $7,500 when I bought it but has now gone up to $8,250. Changes made are alloy tank, ace bars, rearsets, seat unit with removeable cover at back and Goldie exhaust system. The exhaust system can be readily bought for $150 so is certainly not expensive. All the bits are good quality and the tank in particular screams cost. Of course we must also factor in labour set up cost. On the other hand the standard parts are retained by the importer to sell on as spares and the cat exhaust must cost a bit. (Probably so much that no-one is buying them over aftermarket stuff. )
GHG - The bum stop seat that I have lying around somewhere is a glass-fibre one of old - HOWEVER - I'm getting an idea with a stock Iron Barrel seat pan and the metal magma maker ..... I need to tune up my welder anyway ....
Dude, it's 'youz' with a 'z'. I live on the west coast now but I know Jersey. If you don't spell it that way no one outside the tri-state area will get the proper pronunciation Scott
And in the 'Burgh (Pittsburgh), it's always "Yinz" or (seldom) "You-uns". Youz we woudln't unnerstand nohow. Be neat to see a comparison of a nice duded up C-5 and G-5. Go to it!
Bang on on the "Yinz Guyz"! Local Scooter club's name's "The Scootin' Yinzers." The "You-uns Guys" invariably get elided to the much more ubiquitous "Yinz" -- we iz lazy: "Yinz" is easier to say than "You-uns" -- one less sibbulul ... or somepin' like that!
As soon as Justin realized he could get another Deluxe in stock quickly he agreed to give the one he had to 3rdgear. I just saw them prepping it and heard them start it up. It looks good and sounds good. #rd gear is coming but to pick it up soon. All the chrome on that bike helps offset the hot dog boxes, I like it better than the regular G5.Scott
Did noticed a few oil leaks when I returned from my ride, will try posting pics.
As soon as Justin realized he could get another Deluxe in stock quickly he agreed to give the one he had to 3rdgear. I just saw them prepping it and heard them start it up. It looks good and sounds good. 3rdgear is coming by to pick it up soon. All the chrome on that bike helps offset the hot dog boxes, I like it better than the regular G5. It's a really nice looking machine. Interestingly, the Deluxe gets the older style, larger knee pads compared to the smaller ones on the C5.Scott
Man thats crazy! But I like it! Like a combination of north and south. What would Yinz call , a long rolled samwich, with Italian lunch meats on it?
The Battleship and Destroyer calls it a "Battleship Sandwich" -- it's 3 feet long and filled to the gills with salami, ham, cheese, shredded lettuce, tomato slices and Italian salad dressing. The "Destroyer" is only a foot long. Rick Seback, the Pittsburgh Video Historian has immortalized the place and the sandwiches in one of his 'Burgh videos on PBS. But some at other foodie places call 'em Subs and some call 'em Hoagies. .... Like, "Yinz wanna sub?" "Yinz want some hoagies?" But the REAL other sandwich around here is the Primanti's sandwich--Whatever kind of meat etc. you want piled on a large square bun specially baked, with shredded lettuce, tomato slices, and a pile (yes a pile) of french fries on all that with the other piece of the square bun on top. Stands 4-5" tall. You can ask 'em to leave off the fries at Primanti Brothers, but they won't. Signature Sandwich. Primanti's Pastrami Sandwich is to die for... or rather to ride yer bullet 25 miles for.
Got cha Cuz. Always wondered why some people call them "hoagies" what the heck is a "hoagie"? Some sort a critter? We call them subs, cause of there obvious shape.Like a U-Boat. Yinz Guyz seem alright. and your samwitches even better I may just have to take a cruise down there the next time the G-men play da Steelas, and get me a Primanti Samwitch. And I suspect we also share the same utter, "feelings", For the Cowboyz