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Author Topic: Upgrade points plate?  (Read 3300 times)

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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2013, 02:07:52 PM »
You crack me up Blltrdr.  You've been talking about that Boyer ignition like Satan himself built it with his own 2 demonic hands and lives inside of it.  Then when I politely ask you what you want for it (so I can give a good PURPOSEFUL home on a race bike) and now you have a "project" for it?  LMAO    ;D ;D ;D

C'mon Bro!  Which wagon are riding?  Points or EI?!    ???

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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2013, 04:50:46 PM »
Scottie J: I was wondering where this was going.. ???
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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2013, 04:57:44 PM »
Scotty as you know anytime you have a motor sitting around you have a potential project. Like I stated in previous posts that I had problems with the unit. Sending it back to Boyer for a look-see is in my best interest. From what I see on there site the Gill coils have been replaced with a single dual coil. And the next go around I might just eliminate the twin plug. I will have to send my head to Ace and see if it can be reworked for the Fireball upgrade. After spending $300+ on this Boyer it is my best interest to have it looked at sell it or keep it. Anyway this is a unit for British singles and I thought you are a twin guy.
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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2013, 08:56:58 PM »
You can make just about make anything work with anything with the right tools, right knowledge and the right price of course.  ;)   You said it was a twin fire,  I'm sure I could find a way to make it work.   

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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2013, 01:51:09 AM »
It's funny how making a comment gets misconstrued. Never did I mention selling or giving away anything. I'm all for getting a bargain when the stars align. Who knows, PM an offer. The ball is in your court now Scotty.  ;)
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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2013, 10:39:10 PM »
Just bought a Pertronix 40501 FlameThrower 40,000 volt coil from autoplicity.com for $40.

Coil Wire Attachment    Female/Socket
Coil Style    Canister
Primary Resistance    3.000 ohms
Coil Internal Construction    Oil-filled
Coil Color    Chrome
Maximum Voltage    40,000 V
Turns Ratio    75:1
Secondary Resistance    8.5K ohms
Inductance    11.6 mH
Peak Current    5 amps
Spark Duration    1.5 mS
Mounting Bracket Included    No
Coil Wire Included    No
Ballast Resistor Included    No
Coil Shape    Round
Diameter (in)    2.125 in.
Height (in)    6.000 in.
Quantity    Sold individually.
Notes    For use with the original Pertronix Ignitor ignition. Can also be used with other induction ignition

Pertronix Flame-Thrower 40000 Volt Chrome Ignition Coil is designed for use with any inductive system. This canister coil allows larger spark plug gaps for added power, smoother response and better fuel economy. It is internally resisted and is oil filled which offers great heat control. This canister coil maximizes energy and reliability over the full rpm range and is backed by 90 days warranty.


http://autoplicity.com/products/98129-pertronix_40501_flame_thrower_40000_volt_chrome_ignition_coil.aspx
The coupon code is 30OFFSHIPPING.

Will review once I get it installed. I would assume it is similar to the Bosch Blue coil. Should work well with my new Blue Streak points.

So visiting a VW forum there were some comparisons between the Pertronix and Bosch Blue. The readings on the Pertronix shows 35 kv cold and 28 kv warm. The Blue coils readings were 17 kv warm and anywhere between 15 & 9 kv warm. I don't know how much this is relevant, but those VW guys are serious about performance enhancements.
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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2013, 10:52:14 PM »
Hope it has an internal resistor. Does it say it does?  ERC
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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2013, 11:09:09 PM »
Yes it does.

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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #53 on: December 09, 2013, 11:35:11 PM »
Well I can report that since I did that conversion in 2009 but with only 9k miles since then, the original points are still in there. Only 9k but 5 years with no adjustments or fiddling. What I see that may kill them is the oil that makes it's way in there. (which may be good for the rubbing block and advance unit). If you think about it, the points of a single should last longer than a multi cylinder application due to only one contact per revolution. Those blue streaks are probably "The Last Points I'll Ever Own"

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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2013, 11:36:39 PM »
Thanks for the update.
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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #55 on: December 10, 2013, 01:23:34 AM »
Well I can report that since I did that conversion in 2009 but with only 9k miles since then, the original points are still in there. Only 9k but 5 years with no adjustments or fiddling. What I see that may kill them is the oil that makes it's way in there. (which may be good for the rubbing block and advance unit).

Drill ya an 1/8th inch hole in the bottom of the cap to let that oil out
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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #56 on: December 10, 2013, 01:44:33 AM »
Drill ya an 1/8th inch hole in the bottom of the cap to let that oil out
 and not build up...           - Mike
Bingo!  I have to tell you,  the seal is good,  yet oil somehow manages to get in. Part of the charm and anti rust system. I will drill the cap.

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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #57 on: December 10, 2013, 12:13:41 PM »
Oil....  Oil.....  You mean that crap that sprays itself all over everywhere on my bike?  ???
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Re: Upgrade points plate?
« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2013, 07:52:47 PM »
Any seal will let a tiny amount of oil onto it's face to lube the rubber.  Otherwise it would wear down very quickly.  Some oil inevitably will get by.  As long as it's not turning into Niagara Falls...
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« Reply #59 on: December 11, 2013, 04:42:20 AM »
We thought of a seal as a controlled leak.

Where a tiny amount of leakage wouldn't hurt anything we designed the seal primarily for long life.  Where any leakage at all could create a problem we went overboard to prevent it.

For example, a exposed shaft getting a slight dampness over time could be sealed with a lip seal if the shaft speed permitted it.

A seal that could allow any oil whatsoever to leak into the bleed air produced by our engine would often be a very expensive specialized static seal with a high air pressure zone between the seal and the compressed bleed air we were supplying.
  This high air pressure zone that would force any oil that tried to leak past the static seal back into the 'wet' area of the engine.  It had its own vent system so if any oil at all got by the static seal it would be vented overboard.

That probably doesn't mean much to some of you but our engines provides the compressed air that is fed into the passenger compartment on commercial aircraft.  It also provides the compressed air to run the Pneumatic Air Conditioner system.

The paying passengers get upset when the airplanes cabin fills with smoke while they are flying at 40,000 feet half way between New York and London.  ;D
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