Hey guys, i think i am pretty much having the idea to buy a new bullet but i guess i wouldn't toss out the idea of buying a used one assuming it was well cared for. I came across an 02 with 3400 miles on it, lots of extras too. I contacted the owner via email and he is very knowledgeable about the bike and had his mechanic keep it maintained on a regular basis. In other words he isn't the typical clueless owner who buys this bike thinking it doesn't need upkeep etc. Anyway, i noticed the bullets from a few years ago are listed with the 4 speed. When did they start the 5 speed models? What can you guys tell me about this transmission? Is it pretty reliable, smooth shifting etc? Does it do anything with performance or cruising speed rpm's? Should i just look for one with a 5 speed? The price for the bike isn't bad so it has me thinking, but i figured i would get your opinions first. Thanks guys.
I just answered this. this same question for Juggernaut. Go to the Electra models and click on "Choices". To specifically answer your questions about the transmissions: I sold my first 5-speed in 2004. It is a tremendous improvement. Acceleration is a moot point with these bikes. You can't "cruise" with an Enfield. Stay off the freeway and keep your speed to a 50mph AVERAGE. Most Enfield riders are more mature and savvy than most other riders, so the seller is probably fine. But anyone can be sincere, but still mistaken. I always recommend that you have a used vehicle of any type checked out by a pro. Good luck!
Quote from: greekxj on January 29, 2008, 03:36:46 PMHey guys, i think i am pretty much having the idea to buy a new bullet but i guess i wouldn't toss out the idea of buying a used one assuming it was well cared for. I came across an 02 with 3400 miles on it, lots of extras too. I contacted the owner via email and he is very knowledgeable about the bike and had his mechanic keep it maintained on a regular basis. In other words he isn't the typical clueless owner who buys this bike thinking it doesn't need upkeep etc. Anyway, i noticed the bullets from a few years ago are listed with the 4 speed. When did they start the 5 speed models? What can you guys tell me about this transmission? Is it pretty reliable, smooth shifting etc? Does it do anything with performance or cruising speed rpm's? Should i just look for one with a 5 speed? The price for the bike isn't bad so it has me thinking, but i figured i would get your opinions first. Thanks guys. I may be of some assistance here, since I own a 2006 5-speed Bullet and my father owns a 2002 4-speed. Lets say you have a choice between 2 identical bikes for the same price, one with a 5-speed and the other with a 4-speed. It is without question my advise would be to go for the 5-speed bike. I have never had a problem with my gearbox, it shifts as easy as my old 2005 Triumph Bonneville and the gears are evenly spaced. My father however, always seems to be messing with his gearbox, trying to find neutral, tinkering, etc. He also has showed some frustration with the rather large gap in gearing between 3rd and 4th gear. Problems with the 4-speed box seem to be fixed (except for the gap between 3rd and 4th) with converting it back to right side shift.Can you live with a right hand shift bike? If so then I would completely ignore the reported problems with the 4-speed box, except for the gap between 3rd and 4th. Another issue, which is not strictly gearbox related is that 2002 is the year that bullets switched from Witworth to Metric, so you may need to buy new tools considering what type of bolts are holding the bike together. Oddly enough, my father's 2002 has BOTH.With all of this information I would still have trouble deciding between a new bike and a well cared for 2002. The warranty on a new bike is great, but if your local dealer isn't very experienced you may be s.o.l. when a problem arises. A lot of Bullet owners (myself included) become so attached to their bikes, that they would NEVER dream of leaving it with a mechanic, and instead get a shop manual and fix it themselves... in this situation the warranty has less value.The information I have given you may not help your decision, but it is all useful.What is the asking price of the 2002?
I'll just throw in my 2¢ worth...the five speed is a pretty sweet unit. The gears are nicely spaced, and I rarely hit a false neutral. Mine likes gentle treatment and has a nice feel to it. Good luck!!
Isn't it setup with linkages instead of a total opposite setup? That would explain why it might be kinda quirky. The asking price for the 02 is 2900, which might be high now that i think about it.
baird 4444...yes sometimes I thought the same thing..felt like i was on a tractor while on the bullet..npt all the tme but sometimes...go figure..
Ive never ridden a 500 four speed but I would be willing to bet It is smoother off the line. According to Dr Snides manual the first second ratios are 13.93:1 and 9.22:1 As opposed to the five speeds 15.337 and 10.079. The five speed starts out lower and has a huge jump to second, I guess that would be travel gear to you farmall fans out there.
A lot of people talk about the space between 3rd and 4th... yea, it's there. IF you've got the 18 tooth primary gear it puts the shift points closer to being convenient with todays speed limits. Otherwise you'll be wanting to up shift and then lugging in town...The Dan Holmes bushing kit is an improvement. THEY ARE NOT JAPCO AND WILL NEVER SHIFT LIKE ONE.Having said that; after getting the clutch setup and adjusted correctly these things shift like a 1950's farm implement!! Hell - that's part of the fun of it all. It's not really that bad and don't let the 4 speed scare you away from a good deal. It's not really a problem with the design or bike... IT'S THE RIDER!! - Mike 2003 Bullet ES, 23,000 miles, 4 speed LH shift
The five speed is not perfect either. The big gap between first and second is weird. I'm 140 lbs and don't even need 1st on flt roads. But habit puts you there anyway, It must be for sidecar use, or offroad.
greekxj- From new there is a lot of braking in to do... you do the bike and it DOES you. The learning curve is large but these things are very forgiving. I had to relearn everything and simplify what I knew because these things are so simple. It took me a week to comprehend how to set the timing!! I was used to timing cars so I thought there must be more to it....You need to relearn your riding habits to just use the clutch when shifting... not to be used at stop signals while in gear. The cable will quickly stretch a little loosing your clutch adjustment or causing your clutch to over heat and go away. I learned that one my 2nd day out. The first 4 years and 18,000 miles were pretty uneventful. The usual easier breathing exhaust and air filter plus a lot of changing around like different seats, and relocating the coil and battery. I only broke the throttle cable but went ahead and changed the front brake and clutch as I felt they were stretching to much with use. At just over 17,000 miles I had a major shifter problem. While investigating upon removal of the primary I found that the 18 tooth gear on the output shaft was loose. Thinking this may have been causing the chain to get into the LH shift bodge I was hopeful.... NO JOY. I then moved to the right side and found that a ratchet spring in the shifter caused the problem. $3.79 to CMW and I'm back in business. Back to the primary... when reinstalling the alternator stator I found it to have a massive wobble making it almost impossible to center... called "Slam Dunkus" and he confirmed a bent output shaft... I was CRUSHED!! I don't really know how it happened but I have my theories. Anyway I put it back together and rode for another month and a half till winter hit. I made arrangements with SLAM; removed the motor and delivered it to him for the installation of a new output side of the crankshaft. While he had it he had a rod and bush from a new bike upgrade with only about 100 miles on them. I took the rod home and polished it then mailed it back to him. I also had him install new rings although he said mine were within the tolerances. I figured that it wasn't going to be tore down very often so I had him ring it as well. He said that the piston was fine. LOOOng story short- that was over 5,000 miles ago. The gasket that seals the jug and cases is blown... the reason that I mention this is that I have been blowing A LOT of oil out the breather tube. I went thru a LOT of oil last year!! I have read that this can be caused when there is failure to keep negative pressure in the crankase.... or the rings haven't sealed correctly. It runs strong so I can't say but I am going to take it back to Rolla,MO for SLAM to replace the gasket and change the rings again if he deems it necessary. Back to the question; there is a lot of constant adjusting and "Fettling" to be done on these. This is what is called the "Bonding" stage and you will find it quite rewarding! - Mike
Another quick newbie question, what is CMV? I here it often just not sure what it is.Thanks!
Quote from: greekxj on February 01, 2008, 11:21:35 AMAnother quick newbie question, what is CMV? I here it often just not sure what it is.Thanks! "CMW"... aka Classic Motor Works... Our Hosts and the importer of Royal Enfields to the USA Click "shop online" at the top of the page to see all the cool stuff they carry!
Thanks Mike! I appreciate the detailed feedback. Thats the stuff i love reading. So what do ya think caused the bent output shaft? It also sounds like your motor was doing well. Besides the shaft being bent do you think you still had some miles left in it? Sounds like it was good. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I think the bike came to me new with it bent. I have never seized up or or anything like that. This was just the first time I had the alt. off so it was the first time that I tried to center it.... I've also got a slight wobble in my clutch basket.... Still got some miles left in it?? Thats a silly question. Have you heard that these things only last 20,000 miles?? DON'T BELIEVE IT. I've averaged just under5,000 miles a year. I'm gonna put some xtra ones this year to see if I can hit 30,000!The bearings,head, valves and guides were in great shape or he would have worked them as well. Bill "Slam" Dunkus is very thorough. I asked him about different fuel and gas additives and he told me "Don't change a thing, do whatever you're doing". I don't ride it hard, 62 to 65 indicated which is about 58 real world speed. Dan Holmes preached to me about the warm up and I am a believer... I just ride when ever I can - Mike