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I really want one!
« on: February 16, 2011, 11:48:06 PM »
Hello all. I have been reading the forum for a couple weeks.  I decided I needed a cheaper commute vehicle (current is a 50 chrysler, 10mpg) and was actually able to justify the motorcycle to the fiance with the 10mpg vs 85mpg argument (I realize that isn't the normal average mpg on these but sometimes the wheel just needs a little grease).  So the thing is, I really like the c5.  I have seen a few posts regarding the kickstart on them (coming to the US), but no conjectures on a timeline...any ideas? Also, anybody got any experience with dealers in SoCal? Any recommendations?  Thanks and I look forward to joining the club.

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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2011, 11:54:21 PM »
Welcome Hotrod! 

Uh, you know that the C5 is NOT a hot rod, right?  65mpg might be more realistic.

The rumor is that all 2011 models will have kick starter, a quaint ancient bit of history that some find somehow satisfying.   ;D
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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 12:00:43 AM »
I know.  I have been running my route at around 60-65 for the last couple of weeks to make sure I wont get itchy with the reduced speed.  I had been reading about peoples real world mileage and its still awesome compared to what im doing right now, I just meant to grease the wheels with the fiance I used the stated mileage  :)   everything else I have is a quaint ancient bit of history, this might as well be too  ;)

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2011, 12:16:03 AM »
Hello hotrod and welcome aboard.

 If the kicker is a deal breaker for you and you don't want to wait you might consider the G5 instead of the C5.

Either way those UCE bikes are superb.
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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 12:28:43 AM »
Thanks for the welcomes guys.  I really need to get in and see a couple of these bikes side by side... from the pictures I've seen, the c looks better from a vintage standpoint (im really into pre-'55 everything....hell, even my stove in my house is a '50 model), but I've seen some pretty good looking gs with the single seat... I'd just buy a vintage one and be done with it, but the" no more projects!" Ax has come down and the new one has a warranty  :)

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 12:35:22 AM »
the" no more projects!" Ax has come down

Then stay out of the photo gallery ! ;)  To much inspiration temptation there  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2011, 12:47:15 AM »
Man, you ain't kiddin...  every time I'm in there I wind up in an argument with myself...  "hell, that taillight looks goooo....nope! Nope! Just gonna ride it!  Leave the warranty alone!" Hahah

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2011, 01:06:56 AM »
A C5 will make you grin non stop. welcome aboard!
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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2011, 01:09:47 AM »
No matter how you look at it, you're still going to get better (much better) gas mileage than 10 miles to the gallon.  The C5 is pretty nice.

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2011, 01:20:03 AM »
I get 65 mpg with my Iron Barrel. You guys with your UCE's should be able to beat that. Oh wait,,, If mine had the extra pony power of a UCE I'd be using it.,,,,never mind.
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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2011, 01:20:15 AM »
The 85mpg figure is based on an Imperial gallon, which is a little bigger than a US gallon.

I have a C5 and the starter is a bit flakey right now.  I'd love to have a kick starter but I'm sure I'll sort out the problems and then it won't matter.  I'd say that there's no definite timeline on US C5s with kickstarter and that doesn't even take into accont the special Cali model.  It may be a while.  Buy a C5 now and move on ;)

One thing, you mention SoCal.  Are you doing much freeway riding?  These aren't the best bikes for lots of 70mph+ travel, power is a little limited and they're happiest in the 55-65mph range.  And even for that you'll want to wait until it's broken in a bit.

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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2011, 01:29:31 AM »
 Welcome hotrod. Get the  E start only C-5 before there all gone! They may become collectable, you never know  ;) Enjoy the new bike, what ever you decide.
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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2011, 01:38:21 AM »
This may be a double post, got some weird error message...
Not hard to beat 10mpg, is it? Haha
Dont tempt me guys...im really good at being impatient.
I hear what you guys are saying on the speed, that's why I have been testing out the slow lanes lately.  My route is all freeway, but I can keep it at 60 all day long and not be in anyones way and not be afraid of being runned over.  Beside, this being socal, there are 40 roads to every damn place so I can take the city streets and it only adds 10 mins to the drive which, from what Ive been led to believe, is what these bikes are all about.... ;)

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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2011, 02:33:48 AM »
I used to take the long route to work,,,,,until I found the longer route  ;)
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2011, 02:46:13 AM »
Sounds good Rod.  I've been all through Cali and lived in San Diego.  I could ride an Enfield in SD but there are places in LA I'd never consider getting on the freeway.  I was nervous there on my Ducati.

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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2011, 03:03:54 AM »
Luckily I am south and I would be riding ride up to the border of LA....the freeway is nice and wide and my typical commute is relatively relaxed, but I have friends that won't drive their CARS through downtown...ha!

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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2011, 03:20:19 AM »
Eggs-zack-leee!

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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2011, 05:28:19 PM »
Al here from BMW of Fresno.
We have both the C and G available for test rides if you dont mind coming to Fresno.
We also have a lowering kit on the C5 if you want to try that.
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2011, 06:21:02 PM »
Wow Al, the C with the lowering kit sounds right up my alley.  Unfortunately, there is now way I could get up there to see them....thanks for the offer though!

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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2011, 06:27:32 PM »
I used to work for a guy we called Hot Rod.I was mean to him and I regret it.Just get the Enfield,H.R.Everything else will fall into place.What model is Crizzler?I  am also a 50s nut but have nothing to show for it.But since I lived thru that time,I do have the memory of it.Can't buy that.I go back there a lot.I am hoping that when senility has taken over,I can just stay there,go for rides in my uncles' new Hudson.Fill it up with Ethel for 10 bucks.Check out the half naked chicks on roller skates at the drive in.

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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2011, 06:39:02 PM »
I forgive your mean streak  ;D. Chrysler is a windsor, chopped 7", made into a coupe from a four door (with a coupe sized front door, didn't just weld the back shut), lowered abuunch in the back, only an inch the front.  Trying to make it an early 50s build...

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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2011, 07:39:11 PM »
Al here from BMW of Fresno.
We have both the C and G available for test rides if you dont mind coming to Fresno.
We also have a lowering kit on the C5 if you want to try that.
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2011, 07:39:25 PM »
Sounds pretty special.

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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2011, 08:30:43 PM »
Thanks single...

+1 on the lowered photo...

I have seen photos of the chrome c5 and it is pretty bitchen, but no more bitchen to me than the military or black ones....

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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2011, 09:14:45 PM »
Maybe next to a stock one for comparison if you can.  From what I understand it's a lower seat and shorter rear shocks.  It makes for about 3-4" lower total seat height.

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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2011, 05:31:06 AM »
Hotrod,
i am in the same position as you, i really like the looks of the C5, but i want the kicker. i went shopping around last weekend to check out the bike in person and was told by 2 separate dealers to expect the 2011 to come with kickers and to be ready for pick-up anywhere between May and July. if anyone else has a better time line, i would love to hear it.

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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2011, 05:45:48 AM »
well im gonna visit the nearest dealer on saturday, ill let you know if I get any more info....

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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2011, 05:52:02 AM »
Welcome aboard poorboy3000,

  While the  Bullet looks good, wait till you ride one then you will know what the fuss is all about  ;)
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2011, 10:04:43 PM »
Went down to the closest dealer today.  It was a small scooter shop in San Clemente. They had 2 C5 (Teal and Red) and two G5 (Black and Green).  The employee I spoke to was nice but not exceedingly knowledgeable about the product (he told me the only difference between the two was that the g had 18" wheels and the C had 17", ha!).  He started up a G for me.  Both bikes are definately much sexier in person.  He said he could order me one and have it in in two weeks (which seems to me to be an extremely tight time schedule for something coming from India...) 
This all leads me to another question.  He said they could outfit the motorcycle however I wanted from the factory....for those of you who have ordered yours, how "outfittable" are they?  What kind of options are there?

Also, got a cool flyer that I hadn't seen before....  Next weekend Im gonna head to the two bigger dealers (both 30-40 mins by freeway, both in opposite directions and for some reason, no motorcycle related business is open Sunday or Monday)


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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2011, 11:09:42 PM »
My dealer is very knowledgeable. I guess that's how they have stayed in business for over 50 years. He said they ship from a warehouse in California. That explains the 2 week delivery schedule. Still waiting to see a black C5. I'm about 90% sure that's what I want. Or the miltary. 
Or the teal. Or the red. I already ordered the EFI exhaust. Now I have to get the bike!


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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2011, 11:10:41 PM »
Went down to the closest dealer today.  It was a small scooter shop in San Clemente. They had 2 C5 (Teal and Red) and two G5 (Black and Green).  The employee I spoke to was nice .....

He started up a G for me.  Both bikes are definately much sexier in person. 

Did you test ride the G5 ?
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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2011, 11:33:27 PM »
Good grief- Take the bus up to Fresno.
I'll bet a nickel they're pick you up from the station.
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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2011, 11:47:54 PM »
The bikes were really packed in and I didn't have time for him to dig the bikes out. :(

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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2011, 03:37:06 AM »
Besides being convient the paper catalog has items in it that are not on the website.
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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2011, 09:50:31 PM »
I was hoping that is what he meant on the accessories,  I already got a list started based on that digital catalog and it would be so much easier to just pick the bike up as new with those already on it.  I will have to order the paper catalog...

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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2011, 11:35:59 PM »
Your dealer may have some available.

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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2011, 01:12:49 AM »
Mine doesn't. He looks at this website!

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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2011, 02:00:05 AM »
I bet if you emailed the parts guy or called they would mail you one..
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2011, 11:36:21 PM »
Will take pics today of the lowered Military next to a standard C5.
The shocks are shorter non-resevoir models and there is a spring kit to lower the seat.
This brings it down about 2-3 inches. The weight of the rider effects how much due to the seat spring windings.
I havent crawled under it but it seems easy enough to lower the seat via shortening the springs. The seat is REALLY cushy so Im sure some careful trimming with the wife's electric carving knive would work. Pop rivit or screw the seat cover material to get the nice look.
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« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2011, 11:45:33 PM »
You may want to use a disc sander or grinder to gently sweep across the seat foam and shape/sculpt it.  Carving knives tend to be too aggressive.

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« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2011, 11:49:14 PM »
Uh yea, that's what I meant.
Gently sweep across the foam chopping great slices out of the seat, THEN do a nice job of smoothing it out and rounding the edges.  I use a sharpie to give myself a rough idea.  :-[
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« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2011, 12:03:11 AM »
Cool !

 If its not too much trouble could you please post a pic or two of the seat foam as you go about modding it ?

Thanks,
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« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2011, 12:07:04 AM »
Check some of the Indian sites, those guy are scupting C5 seats.
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« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2011, 12:21:20 AM »
Here are too poor pictures showing a low and a std.
The seat is about 2 inches closer to the fender unladen. the fender to ground is about 1-1.5  inches lower without rider.
With a 165lb. rider its about 2.5"-3.0" with shocks set on full soft.
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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2011, 01:11:53 AM »
Thanks for the pics.  I like the covered shocks.  What does the rider think of the mod?

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« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2011, 02:47:45 AM »
The low one is our demo.
as numerous women have fallen in love with the looks, we felt we could open up the doors to them and the inseam challenged folks of the world.
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« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2011, 03:36:58 AM »
Nice to see dealers who care so much :)

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« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2011, 05:42:49 PM »
Have you taken it for a spin?  Any notable differences in the handling?

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« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2011, 09:11:35 PM »
Thanks for the pictures.  Could I trouble you for a wider shot of the whole bike with the lowering kit on it?

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« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2011, 03:08:48 AM »
Nice to see dealers who care so much :)

That's why I bought mine there.

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« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2011, 04:15:50 PM »
I saw it. It looks good but not so noticeable when parked on the centerstand.

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« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2011, 10:15:54 PM »
Thanks for all the response and help.  The more I look at them the more I am torn.  While the C5 at first glance looks older (and I really like the tank detail with the knee pads and the toolbox/tinwork within the frame), the side profile of the C5 just looks so small in comparison to the G5.  The older bikes (the years they based the C5 on) have a more flowing look to them....they look longer/lower.... Is there really that much of a difference between the two frames (G5/C5), or is it purely optical?  Thanks.

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« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2011, 11:05:10 PM »
The C5 has 18" wheels front and rear. 
G5 has 19 front and 18 rear.
C5 has a lower seat height and has a nice feel on the freeway, solid, almost lazy cruiser like steering, but solid. For a newer rider or someone who putts a bit, this gives a lot of confidence and warm fuzzy feelings.

The G5 feels like a Yamaha 650 twin from the mid/late 70's. Handles very nice in the twisties, has better ground clearance for spirited riding, awesome brake for when you ride too quickly.  With the slightly shorter gearing it has a bit more oomph from a stoplight. When in the twisties, it doesnt really ride like it's looking for a fight, but half wishes one would pop up.

You need to ride both and buy the one that suits YOU.
If your local dealer doesnt have 2 demos to ride, drive to Fresno, ride both, and buy the one that makes you grin the most.

I'll do something for your time and gas you spent should you buy one here.

Dont wait too long as the first 100 are getting low.
Big Al
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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2011, 11:42:35 PM »
The C5 has 18" wheels front and rear.  
G5 has 19 front and 18 rear.

You need to ride both and buy the one that suits YOU.

I agree with Big Al - ride both and buy the one that suits you.  After all you are goint to ride it for many years.  

Both tyres of G5 - the front and the rear - are 19 inches.  The front is 3.25 x 19 and the rear is 3.5 x 19.  
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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2011, 11:59:16 PM »
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I stand corrected, The G5 indeed has 19" front and rear.
Seat ht on the C5 is listed at 31.5"      G5 is 32.3
 
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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2011, 12:00:31 AM »
Thanks for the replies.  I agree with you guys, its just really hard for me to get to a dealer (been trying to get to my local "big" dealer for a month now) and I am trying to gather as much information as I can so when I do have the opportunity to visit the dealer I can spend less time comparing the two bikes on things like frame design and ride height.  Visually, everything is a platform for customization for me so I am trying to make sure the bike I get not only mechanically suits me but also has the potential to look the way I want it.  
Al,  thanks for the offer.  Once I get in to ride the bikes I will send you an email with what I want and see if we can work something out.  I would much rather support someone that supports the community (RE forum in this case) than someone that just sells things.

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Re: I really want one!
« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2011, 12:14:32 AM »
With the BMW's or the Enfields, we promote the customer buying from his or her local dealer and hope other shops do the same. (hope).

If you local guy cant answer yor questions or has no inventory, or in your opinion, offers you poor customer service, then we would be happy to sell you a bike and be your dealership.
We sell the bikes at MSRP plus the usual taxes, DMV, and a realistic Dealer prep fee. We pay our techs. 3 hours to set one up and that's doing the complete Scooter Bob checklist.
Tho we have only been a dealer since Nov. but have seen a couple of examples of dealers doing a "quicky uncrate".
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« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2011, 12:25:33 AM »
i had the setup on my iron and it played dividends...well worth it...
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« Reply #59 on: March 10, 2011, 12:37:07 AM »
I agree with Big Al - ride both and buy the one that suits you.

+1.  You really need to ride them both back to back.  They feel very different in the way they handle. 

All these questions are just because you haven't ridden them.  Once you see them both in person and ride them both your questions will evaporate and the decision will be easy.

For 2010 and earlier it's 18" wheels on the C5, 19" on the G5.  For 2011, the C5 gets a 19" front wheel.  And while the final gear ratios are different they come out about the same when you factor in the different wheel sizes.  I didn't notice any marked difference in acceleration between the two.

Scott