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Question for c5 owners
« on: March 04, 2011, 02:20:38 PM »
This my first post here I have been lurking for a while. I fell in love with the RE's a couple of years ago love the look and sound, just donot like the new look of motorcycles. My question is will a c5 handle a commute to work of 45+ miles( sometimes need to take the long way home) to work one way. Really like the RE's but donot want to over work it. The speed limit is posted at 55 most of the way. My current and first motorcycle is a 1986 KE100 2 stroke. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks and sorry for such a long first post.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2011, 02:42:22 PM »
That is not the type of riding I would want to do on my C5.  Will it do it?  Sure, when broken in, it will be okay there but won't have quick passing power if you start at 60+mph. 

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2011, 02:42:39 PM »
My C5 will do that with ease, welcome to the forum.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2011, 03:17:45 PM »
Thanks for the replys. I guess a better question is will a c5 comfortable cruise at 60 to 65 max for an hour to an hour and a half at the time. When I ride my ke100 I cruise at 45 to 55 for an hour or so then stop for a few minutes. I like to go 80 to 120 miles at a time. I was hoping a RE would be able to do that in the 60 to 65 range and cover a few hundred miles a day.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2011, 03:43:13 PM »
The UCE engine will easily cope with a commute of 90 miles a day at 60-65. It will also do a few hundred miles with ease when you require it. I am sure you will really enjoy riding it. Welcome!

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2011, 03:44:16 PM »
Mine is happy to cruise at 60, I've done several 300 mile days with no problems. The bike wlll cruise at 65 if you want, but it's a lot better ride at 60.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2011, 04:25:54 PM »
There are ways to make it more comfortable at 65. OPen exhaust, knn filter, power commander all add up . Welcome to the forum.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2011, 05:00:54 PM »
Thanks for all the replies. I guess now I need to start saving my pennies for a RE.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2011, 05:31:49 PM »
Just to add another voice to the concensus. A UCE Royal Enfield is MADE for the kind of ride you describe. I regularly do round trips of 100 - 150 miles, cruising happily at 60 - 65 mph (G5). You'll need to get it broken in to be comfortable doing this - the engine is a completely different beast after 1000 miles or so. I recommend getting rid of the stock exhaust as soon as the bike's broken in, and fitting something less restrictive. This alone will raise the comfortable cruising speed by a good 5mph.
You can do 60-65 all day on these bikes, and there's enough left to give you a burst at 80 if the mood takes you....
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2011, 01:28:02 AM »
I routinely commute 75 km to work. 
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2011, 01:44:24 AM »
Wind blast at 60 gets a little unconfortable for some people, me included.  You might want a windshield.  The bike will be fine at that speed once it's broken in, say 1000-1500 miles.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2011, 03:39:33 AM »
45 miles each way?

At 80mi/day, you're facing some serious maintenance requirements for the bike you choose.

I think for the distance you are traveling, the question isn't can you do it on a C5, it's should you. For me, the answer would most definitely be no. I am not an RE owner yet, but I plan to continue using my beater KLR650 to commute. It's already ugly, it gets pretty decent mileage - the difference between the KLR and C5 on a week-to-week basis is pretty negligible - and the general cost to maintain is probably lower than almost any other motorcycle. It also has an obscenely huge aftermarket for things to make the ride a bit more comfortable.

Look at it this way.

KLR (or some other long-lived cheap Jap bike):
  • Dirt cheap
  • Fast
  • Ugly
C5
  • Expensive - relatively speaking, and for what it is
  • Slow
  • Pretty
I don't see the point in riding a nice bike like the C5 into the ground, in the long run. Personally, I'd rather see over traffic and go head to head with the big bads riding into Philly on something that, past general mechanical soundness, I don't really care about.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2011, 04:32:21 AM »
45 miles each way?

At 80mi/day, you're facing some serious maintenance requirements for the bike you choose.

I think for the distance you are traveling, the question isn't can you do it on a C5, it's should you. For me, the answer would most definitely be no. I am not an RE owner yet, but I plan to continue using my beater KLR650 to commute. It's already ugly, it gets pretty decent mileage - the difference between the KLR and C5 on a week-to-week basis is pretty negligible - and the general cost to maintain is probably lower than almost any other motorcycle. It also has an obscenely huge aftermarket for things to make the ride a bit more comfortable.

Look at it this way.

KLR (or some other long-lived cheap Jap bike):
  • Dirt cheap
  • Fast
  • Ugly
C5
  • Expensive - relatively speaking, and for what it is
  • Slow
  • Pretty
I don't see the point in riding a nice bike like the C5 into the ground, in the long run. Personally, I'd rather see over traffic and go head to head with the big bads riding into Philly on something that, past general mechanical soundness, I don't really care about.

All sound, logical arguments. If you agree with them I have a KLR650 I can sell you. If logic or reason had anything to do with what we ride we would all be riding scooters. Weather protection for your clothes,  automatic transmissions, under seat storage etc. My KLR is set up to go to Tierra del Fuego at a moment's notice but it does not "turn me on" the way that Enfield does.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 05:49:33 AM »
The UCE mill is way over engineered for the task at hand.
 Much beefier bottom end than it needs, hydraulic lifters, super duper oil pump, EFI, modern from materials, by modern methods with modern machinery and  tools
Vastly better than the old Iron Barrel was.

Just ride it.
I can break it better,,,,at night, in the rain, on the trail,, 20 miles from nowhere.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2011, 08:44:57 AM »
"JUST RIDE IT"   There it is - all you need to know.
 
Now can we return to sanity here please?
If you seriously believe that 80 miles a day is running a C5/G5 into the ground, then
a) you've never owned one
b) you don't know anyone who does
c) you haven't been around this forum for long
d) you've entirely missed the whole ethos & history of RE
 
Ride your bike 80 miles a day. Lube the chain monday and wednesday. Check the rest at the weekend if you feel like it.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2011, 01:11:52 PM »
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! Just ride it.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2011, 09:00:24 PM »
i belong to a bonneville club and out slogan is
"shut up and ride"

i realy like the c5 military but will probubly go with the g5 because i think the kick starter is cool....

buy the re break it in then ride the snot out of it...if you don't, then you just waisted your money.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2011, 09:05:14 PM »
This coming model year the C5 gets a kick start too :)

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2011, 09:26:08 PM »
thanks....i'll wait for the c5 military with the kicker.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2011, 12:46:32 AM »
olhogrider,

Whatever works for you. I don't jump on my motorcycle every morning at 6:30 to get turned on, I jump on it to get to work cheaply and on time. My commute is so miserable that I doubt doing it on a nicer looking bike would make it suck any less. And I certainly wouldn't want to put 30k a year on a thumper with no counterbalancer.

WillW

With regards to the things I haven't done...I don't care how new and awesome it is, the laws of physics still apply to it and things will break like on it like on any other bike. When they do, I'd rather they be on my beater than my weekend ride. If you've got the cash to make it happen and you care enough, that's great.

a) you've never owned one
 ... obviously
b) you don't know anyone who does
 there aren't that many around
c) you haven't been around this forum for long
 Lurking member since 2008
d) you've entirely missed the whole ethos & history of RE
 Read about it extensively,  and everything I have read points to the previous generation of bullets as being diametrically opposed to the mere concept of American rush-hour

No need to take personal offense, I'm not dissing on y'all's favorite bike, as I am a huge fan. Otherwise I wouldn't be here. Instead I am merely offering a suggestion to someone who may not want to drop 6 large every four years on two-wheel transportation. If you don't agree with it, that's totally fine; different people have different wants and needs. I happen to have multiple.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2011, 01:55:16 AM »
hey fox aren;t u in philly?  if so i believe we had this conversation about your commute...u were really excited about a c5 but i guess reality set in....assuming i'm talking to the right fellow...that commute u have is really that bad.....they don't understand as i have your commute plotted in my brain...yeah it suck big time..no fun on anything...maybe if it flew ..
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2011, 03:01:10 AM »
My experience - I work hard every day, and I truly welcome the interludes (like getting to and from work) when I get to ride around on my C5.  (I have only a very short commute now, but in the past I did 40 mi each way on my BMW).  We need some fun and fantasy each day.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2011, 03:08:17 AM »
GreenMachine

Yeah, that was me. I guess maybe I hadn't considered that the OP's commute might be leisurely and smooth, and thus easy on the bike.

I'm definitely still excited about the C5, but I'm leaning towards not commuting with it. My ride is so hard that my license plate literally split apart at the corner. The plate is now held up at an angle by zip ties and bent paper clips as retainers, since the zipties fall apart (no, it's not the suspension bottoming the plate out on the rear tire - my rear spring is so firm that the bike doesn't sink even an inch when I sit on it).

When it really comes down to it, I guess if there are nice backroads involved in your commute, then go for it. I'm just cynical because of how super terrible my route is.

And yes, I would pay a lot of money for a flying motorcycle.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2011, 05:15:33 AM »
Great thread- Olhogrider, my wife yearns for the day she can have the sexual persuasiveness of a well oiled enfield... and she ain't half bad!

I've got a new (but 2009) Electra AVL... for any newcomers that's ancient history compared to the UCE's we're talking about.  I have about a 40 mile each way commute from Baltimore to DC.  Right now I take the train but I'm counting the days til it's just warm enough and just dry enough to take the thumper on my daily commute.  I know it'll take a long time, and the route is about 40 mph on average (i'm avoiding suicide and I-95) but it's a way to get the riding itch outta my system before it's pitch black outside.  Not going to be an everyday thing either because I do think it'd put a hurting on the maintenance (of any bike).  My AVL isn't built to go 60-65 for sustained periods, and is also known to be much less 'trouble free' than the UCE's in general.  

Since I have your similar commute and you're getting a 'higher performance' and 'more modern/highly engineered' machine I'd say that I'd definitely ride the he!! outta that bike.  If you're getting an enfield you know you're going to have to be more involved with it than any modern jap bike, and riding it that hard that regularly will keep you on your toes maintenancing any bike.  Also, not sure of the break-in period on UCE's but I won't dare take by AVL 65 mph til the 1000 mile mark.

just my 2 cents... or more, or whatever.   ride on!

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2011, 08:50:26 AM »
Don't take offence Fox. I know I'm forthright, but not to be mistaken for hostilty.
KE100 asked whether the UCE was up to a 45 mile commute. You suggested not, I disagreed, still do. I guess I was assuming reasonable road surfaces and a degree of traffic, not a war zone. Personally if I had to travel that far to work I'd take the car, and use the bike (any bike) when in the mood and in good weather. That's just me.
My bike's not a bone shaker. It really will do sixty-seventy all day without complaint and without vibrating the arse off me. Or thump along nicely in traffic. And give me 82mpg too.
Plenty of Youtube clips of RE Bullets trekking over the Himalaya laden like camels. And take a look at an INDIAN rush hour..... :o
They'll go anywhere, built for it, tough. The UCE bikes are even better.
Just ride it.  ;)
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2011, 11:37:45 AM »
I personally feel, people are underestimating C5 and it's workability.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2011, 01:09:00 PM »
Yes they are.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2011, 03:38:36 PM »
Thanks so much for all the replies. I want to clarify my commute and hopefully clear up any miss understanding. I live in  eastern NC. My commute to work is mostly back roads 55 mph speed limit and 2 lane. When I get close to Jacksonville it is four lane but still 55 mph. No I would not ride every day, just as many as I can  ;D. I commute mostly with a Geo metro (great gas mileage) but would like to ride more. My ke100 2 stroke will make the trip, but traffic doesnot like you doing 50 mph in a 55 zone. So I thought the c5 or g5 would make a great bike to ride to work, weather permitting. It will comfortably cruise 60 mph, that is all I need. I do not want to overwork the bike, that is why I wanted to know if it would comfortably cruise 60 mph. And thanks again for all the replies, this forum has been great.

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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2011, 03:40:35 PM »
That sounds like a prefect ride for a C5, mine cruises at 60 just fine.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2011, 05:16:38 PM »
fox commute is a war zone...no fun in it at all...its just bad all around..he needs a cage around his bike and he takes a pounding from the potholes in Philly...this section of town where he drives is even worst than N.Y.C. driving in rush hour traffic...The new Enfield would hold better than my iron but I have to agree that its just a matter of time before something bad happen to it or him...nothing worst than your bike getting the bad end of the stick...sorry to hear about that commute fox but your gut instincts are the best way to go and if u did buy a new one, u be worrying about it vice riding it down memory lane in Philly every day..whose knows u might even move down the road where u be more comfortable in your decision..
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2011, 07:08:26 PM »
I drive a Neon, so i too know the life behind the wheel of an econocompact.  I wager the UCE would treat you better in every respect than your geo metro... until it rains.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2011, 12:20:31 AM »
I personally feel, people are underestimating C5 and it's workability.
Second that....  For the better part of my childhood, I spent every summer in a hot and dusty little village in south India that had no real roads. I saw the Bullet used more or less the way people used their ox-carts (which was typically the other vehicle in the household) including carrying produce (every morning) to market in the nearest town (big baskets piled high and strapped to the rear seat) etc,  over rutted dirt paths.  It seems like the C5 will live up to the standard of ruggedness of its ancestors, if RE expects them to retain their place in the Indian market.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2011, 01:13:03 AM »
Second that....  For the better part of my childhood, I spent every summer in a hot and dusty little village in south India that had no real roads. I saw the Bullet used more or less the way people used their ox-carts (which was typically the other vehicle in the household) including carrying produce (every morning) to market in the nearest town (big baskets piled high and strapped to the rear seat) etc,  over rutted dirt paths.  It seems like the C5 will live up to the standard of ruggedness of its ancestors, if RE expects them to retain their place in the Indian market.

You are SO right! The C5 is ALL Enfield when it comes to that sort of durability under extreme conditions. It makes me smile sometimes when I see things on the bike that are about three times stronger than dump truck parts ..... because:
A.) It's an Enfield!
B.) They get USED for little trucks .....
C.) None of the engineers were ever trained to make stuff flimsy .....
D.) They have ALWAYS been that way ...... see "A" .....  ;)

I've treated one pretty harshly ..... and when you wipe it off at the end of the day after a battering - it's just fine. THAT is an endearing quality to me ....
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2011, 10:59:05 AM »
I am quite interested in the "new"  Bullet Black (frumpy fender one based on Bullet 350)   Seems to me  that it is the one with the decades long  endurance legacy (on the chassis) and now that it is upgraded with disc brake and UCE engine/5speed etc, it is perfect.  I wonder, (SB) if thre are any other repects besides body panels in which it differs from new G 5s /C 5s .  For instance, swing arm bushings vs bearings, , wheel bearings, steering column bearings etc.  In other words, what other "modernization" would you miss by buying the Bullet Black.   thanks, Nigel.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2011, 05:10:46 PM »
Nigel, while the C5 has a new frame and fork (slightly less travel than the C5) the biggest differences are geometry.  I'm sure the C5 chassis will last as long as any previous bullet.  There are far more similarities than differences.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2011, 05:24:17 PM »
Thanks Scot.   I know about the geometry differences between the C 5 and G 5 frames.  (My choice id between G 5 and Bullet Black)  I just wondered if the old 350 frame (neither G 5 or C5 ) is different   Thanks. Nigel.

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« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2011, 05:30:20 PM »
I am quite interested in the "new"  Bullet Black (frumpy fender one based on Bullet 350)   Seems to me  that it is the one with the decades long  endurance legacy (on the chassis) and now that it is upgraded with disc brake and UCE engine/5speed etc, it is perfect.  I wonder, (SB) if thre are any other repects besides body panels in which it differs from new G 5s /C 5s .  For instance, swing arm bushings vs bearings, , wheel bearings, steering column bearings etc.  In other words, what other "modernization" would you miss by buying the Bullet Black.   thanks, Nigel.

Nigel - I haven't been lucky enough to get my grubby paws on one of these yet - but here what I'm BETTING on for that bike since it is the hands down favourite of the IDM:

o-ring chain for durability (confirmed with engineers)
Delrin swing arm bushes for durability (shares the "lowers" with G5 I think ...)
Steering bearings will still be loose balls - they WORK and they are cheap to service
Stiffer frame - the result of re-engineering the "lowers" to accept the UCE
MODERN wiring harness with weather tight connectors for critical functions

plus all the things that make that bike "truck worthy" that have BEEN there for 60 years. As I've said before - this is EXACTLY the bike that I'd build for myself if I had the run of the Royal Enfield India parts bins. Mine would be Parrot Green or Peacock Blue, of course ......  ::)
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2011, 05:46:27 PM »
Nigel - I haven't been lucky enough to get my grubby paws on one of these yet - but here what I'm BETTING on for that bike since it is the hands down favourite of the IDM:

o-ring chain for durability (confirmed with engineers)
Delrin swing arm bushes for durability (shares the "lowers" with G5 I think ...)
Steering bearings will still be loose balls - they WORK and they are cheap to service
Stiffer frame - the result of re-engineering the "lowers" to accept the UCE
MODERN wiring harness with weather tight connectors for critical functions

plus all the things that make that bike "truck worthy" that have BEEN there for 60 years. As I've said before - this is EXACTLY the bike that I'd build for myself if I had the run of the Royal Enfield India parts bins. Mine would be Parrot Green or Peacock Blue, of course ......  ::)

Oh please ! I am so sure you would add a carburetor to it. I would.

Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2011, 06:03:44 PM »
Thanks SB (and others)   One last question (for today anyway) .  Do you think that I could put an 18 tooth sprocket on the counter- shaft sprocket of the Bullet Black ?  (I am guessing yes since it shares a lot in common with the G 5) .  Another plus of ths bike I have mentioned before is all the touring gear designed for Bullet 350s should fiit right on (rear carriers with gas can holders, metal panniers etc)  Nigel.

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2011, 06:43:59 PM »
Nigel ..... I would!!  ;D
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2011, 07:00:35 PM »
Hmmm....

You might need to take off the polished aluminum engine side covers and have them bead blasted.  I don't know if all that shinyness suits the character of the Bullet Black. ;)

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2011, 09:48:41 PM »
Hmmm....

You might need to take off the polished aluminum engine side covers and have them bead blasted.  I don't know if all that shinyness suits the character of the Bullet Black. ;)

Scott

.....or leave it out one winter ....... same effect, less effort .......  ;)
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2011, 10:14:55 PM »
Entropy and apathy take the win!

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2011, 09:52:31 AM »
LOL.  All I know is I rode the *&^% out of my C5 last year.   I was not gentle.  There was no gradual engineer-approved break-in. 

It still runs.
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2011, 04:07:53 PM »
LOL.  All I know is I rode the *&^% out of my C5 last year.   I was not gentle.  There was no gradual engineer-approved break-in. 

It still runs.

And I'm betting it runs just FINE, too ..... Atta boy - the ScooterBob break-in!  ;D
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2011, 10:28:44 PM »
Did you run it in for the first 500km? or just flog it from the start?

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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2011, 10:40:33 PM »
Well I hit the rev limiter on day two...  ;D
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Re: Question for c5 owners
« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2011, 10:57:35 PM »
haha nice..

reminds me of my mates dad... they just rebuilt the v8 in their holden one tonner....

Next thing... 'Hey son... lets go and run this thing in and do some burn outs'