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mbevo1

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OCE Oil
« on: March 10, 2011, 02:19:11 PM »
OK... I think the manual says something like "15-40W SL Rated semi-synthetic..."

What's the recommendation for lube in my '10 C5 Military?

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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 02:32:38 PM »
OK... I think the manual says something like "15-40W SL Rated semi-synthetic..."

What's the recommendation for lube in my '10 C5 Military?

Mike and S&S in Michigan

Wesson will work in the thing as much as it oils .....  ;) But seriously - use a FULL synthetic with these guidelines:

tundra temp to 40F - 5W-30
40F-65F - 10W-40
65F+ - 15W-40 or 20W-50

The engine isn't picky about its oil viscosity - again, it pumps more oil than Saudi Arabia does in a day - but it MUST be full synthetic to assure that it doesn't coke off in the high stress areas of the engine.

If you just started another (ANOTHER!) gawd dang oil thread, expect a ticking package in the mail .... Hahahaha!  ::)
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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 03:42:17 PM »
Fairly soon after break-in I switched from the 15w-50 semi-synth recommended in the manual, to 15w-50 fully synth as recommended by several folks here on the forum. The bike (G5) seems to like it fine. Silkolene, just because that's what the dealer used, but I don't think it matters at all.
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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 04:26:15 PM »
Thanks for the reminder, WillW! - I forgot to say DO NOT USE CAR OIL IN THE BIKE! ... use motorcycle formulated oil because it has a higher level of ZDDP lubricants in it. Silkolene is great stuff!
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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2011, 10:02:25 PM »
Not to extend this thread or anything......BUT.....Scooterbob, could you please explain what  ZDDP lubricants are.....please  ;D
 
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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2011, 10:17:40 PM »
They're Zippity Doo Dah Particles.  Doncha know nuthin...?  ::) ;)
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2011, 10:29:27 PM »
Sorry..... :-\  ::)
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2011, 10:52:55 PM »
Not to extend this thread or anything......BUT.....Scooterbob, could you please explain what  ZDDP lubricants are.....please  ;D
 
D'oh.......I'm atta here.  ::)

Better than I could say it .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_dithiophosphate

Basically an extreme pressure lube additive that'll kill all the baby seals and such ..... IN theory ...... but it's like Pepsi - you GOTTA have it!!  ;)
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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2011, 11:41:22 PM »
.... could you please explain what  ZDDP lubricants are..

They're Zippity Doo Dah Particles.  Doncha know nuthin...?  ::) ;)

@GHG -

I think WillW has a good point, these are Zpippty Doo Dah Particles ;D.

Since SB has a link to Wikipedia with chemical structures, I will try to simplify it to a  middle ground.

In very simple terms, ZDDP is Zinc, Sulfur and Phosphorous.

                                            Z = Zinc
                                            D = Di Alkyl
                                            D = Di Thio
                                            P = Phosphate

Di = Two
Alkyl = Carbon with hydrogen linked in a chain (1 to 14 Carbon long in ZDDP)
Thio = Sulfur
 
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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2011, 11:42:58 PM »
 Thank you ScooterBob and singh...... ;)

Will, You sir are a master......That was HY-larious !  :D
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2011, 11:52:26 PM »
Singhg - Thanks for that - I'll break it down a little further since I'm in the hut now with my friend Michael Collins .........

The metallic parts of the ZDDP, being the zinc and sulfur "deposit" themselves on wear surfaces under heating and actually become the "sacrificial" wearing surface for the parts. Since the deposition and wear process is pretty much continuous, the actual parts never see (much) wear. New modern car oils don't have this in them as they metallic agents that would escape the combustion chamber and get into the exhaust stream would spoil the catalyst ...... and not having the additives, in the meantime, are spoiling the bearings .....  :'( Zippity Doo Dah Particles are your friends!  ;)

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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2011, 12:00:27 AM »
 Pretty cool stuff..... Wow!   Amazing idea, The zink and the sulfur wear instead, ingenious.
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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2011, 01:06:16 AM »
An absolutely incredible oil additive is Militec-1. It is FULL of ZDDP and was developed to keep "sheen guns" lubed up for the Military. I use it in about everything to keep the junque alive. Don't use it in the primary, however ......  ::)
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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2011, 02:07:18 PM »
An absolutely incredible oil additive is Militec-1. It is FULL of ZDDP and was developed to keep "sheen guns" lubed up for the Military. I use it in about everything to keep the junque alive. Don't use it in the primary, however ......  ::)

So what you're saying is UCE can't use militec since there is no separation from the primary and engine compartment?  Damn, and I thought I would be able to even more militarize my G5 Military with Army oil.

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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2011, 06:44:27 PM »
So what you're saying is UCE can't use militec since there is no separation from the primary and engine compartment?  Damn, and I thought I would be able to even more militarize my G5 Military with Army oil.

Sam

You know - I put three ounces of it in the Crash Test Dummy and have had no slippage AT ALL on the clutch ...... I use it in the German's Doo-Katty as well to no ill effects - but you KNOW how the clutches in the Iron Barrels can be ........  ::)
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2011, 07:21:39 PM »
i was reading about last night...i was wondering bob if u actually used in a bike...apparently for guns its great stuff especially the military issue carbines, etc...saw alot of positive on that...yes they market it for cars, bikes and lots of thing and even sell tubles of grease products with it in it...my understanding is that it really isn't a oil additive for say....of course the jest in the blogs was who was going to try it first on their personal bike and get back on the results...i didn't see alot of takers..most people are content to run motorcycle oil period and leave it at that..now if we could see the results with a enfield with over 30k miles on it while using militec for the majority of the usage then i be more curious on the product...slick 50 scares me..
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2011, 09:47:18 PM »
i was reading about last night...i was wondering bob if u actually used in a bike...apparently for guns its great stuff especially the military issue carbines, etc...saw alot of positive on that...yes they market it for cars, bikes and lots of thing and even sell tubles of grease products with it in it...my understanding is that it really isn't a oil additive for say....of course the jest in the blogs was who was going to try it first on their personal bike and get back on the results...i didn't see alot of takers..most people are content to run motorcycle oil period and leave it at that..now if we could see the results with a enfield with over 30k miles on it while using militec for the majority of the usage then i be more curious on the product...slick 50 scares me..

Slick50 is a little shaky on the technology - it has suspended Teflon particles in it - it's good as long as you are running - but when you turn the ride off - the particles settle out ..... not to mention that MOST of the "good stuff" ends up in the oil filter. I found, when stock car racing< that the Militec-1 would lower the oil temperature on the car about 50 or 60 degrees with NO other modifications at two ounces per quart. That was an eye opener for ME. I've also used it in in the Chang Jiang and Dnepr bikes and never seized a piston ..... that, in itself, is some sort of lubricating miracle!! Hahaha!  ::)
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Re: OCE Oil
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2011, 10:12:59 PM »
is it something u should use with a fairly new but broken in engine....I'm assuming u just talking about the iron bikes....would a 5 yr old iron under 10k be a viable candidate...
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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2011, 10:28:18 PM »
is it something u should use with a fairly new but broken in engine....I'm assuming u just talking about the iron bikes....would a 5 yr old iron under 10k be a viable candidate...

I glugged it RIGHT in my Iron Barrel bikes - WITH the break in oil in it ..... I ain't takin' NO CHANCES .... I'm too dang lazy to put a piston in it ......  ::)
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