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SimonT

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Missing Gears
« on: March 10, 2011, 10:17:29 PM »
Hi Guys,

Ive been lurking here for a coupe months, and finally signed up after i got my new RE last week :). Its a new C5 and have done about 300km on it so far.

One thing thats really bugging me is the number of times it misses gears... its almost like theres a neutral between each gear, which i regularly hit. Does anyone else find this?

Am i using the wrong technique to change gears? This morning it really bugged me, and i got this bike to be enjoyable to ride, and this has tarnished it a little...

Thanks

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 10:21:15 PM »
Welcome, and congrats on the new bike. The gearshifting does get smoother with mileage. But so will your technique. There is a kind of double nudge feel to it at first which took me a while to get used to. Shift slow and positive for a while. Lightning gearshifts without a hitch will soon arrive... ;)
Also check the clutch adjustment.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2011, 10:23:37 PM by WillW »
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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 10:25:51 PM »
Welcome and congrats on the new bike, Will is right about the shifting,
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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 10:30:42 PM »
Thanks Mate... i guess ive only been riding it a week, and everything is still loosening up....

Down shifts are smooth... just the upshifts.

im sure the clutch will get checked out at the first 500km service :)



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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2011, 10:31:47 PM »
oh and thanks for the welcomes :)

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2011, 10:40:37 PM »
Congrats on the new bike!! This used to happened to me quite a bit but it rarely happens anymore. Be sure to let off the throttle fully and pull the shifter all the way up  . I've had a heel toe shifter on my G5 for almost a year which I like cause you don't get your boots scuffed up on the toe.

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2011, 12:04:14 AM »
One thing thats really bugging me is the number of times it misses gears... its almost like theres a neutral between each gear, which i regularly hit. Does anyone else find this?

Am i using the wrong technique to change gears?

Simon - Welcome to the Forum:

Congratulations on your new bike.  As others have said it will get better with more miles and one or two oil changes.  I would suggest a couple of practical points that you can try -

1.  Do not upshift early - let the bike pick up speed and rpm for a while and then upshift.
2.  Pull the clutch lever all the way in before shifting gear.
3.  With the clutch lever pulled in, upshift gear lever with foot but then keep the gear lever lifted up until after you have released the clutch lever.  

See if these help.  
« Last Edit: March 11, 2011, 12:23:14 AM by singhg5 »
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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 12:31:57 AM »
Thanks for all the tips guys... Its also good to hear that there is nothing wrong with my bike... :)

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2011, 03:53:17 AM »
+1 on checking the clutch adjustment.

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2011, 04:36:56 AM »
I have been riding for many decades and have rarely
Missed a shift until this bike. It only happens when I get lazy and not quite firm enough with it. Unfortunately the nature of this bike is to cruise at a leisurely pace. That's when I get sloppy. I am sure that as the gears learn to mesh and my brain learns to mesh with them, false neutrals will become a thing of the past.

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2011, 05:13:36 AM »
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1.  Do not upshift early - let the bike pick up speed and rpm for a while and then upshift.
2.  Pull the clutch lever all the way in before shifting gear.
3.  With the clutch lever pulled in, upshift gear lever with foot but then keep the gear lever lifted up until after you have released the clutch lever. 

What Singhg5 says...number three especially worked for me.  I was always missing a shift and thought I'd tried everything.  Slow, full and deliberate pull on the clutch THEN the upshift and hold the lever up while releasing the clutch. I never missed another shift.

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2011, 10:01:23 PM »
Thanks for the tips guys...
i practiced slow deliberate clutch action and gear changes, and i seem to have got the hang of it now... I didnt miss one change on the way to work this morning....

Done 450km now... ill try and book in the service for wednesday, and then i can give it a bit more :)

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2011, 10:25:19 PM »
Occasionally 5th gear will suddenly pop to a false neutral between 4th and 5th, usually when the C5 has been ridden a while.  I think the cure is to make very positive strong shifts with the foot, i.e., don't baby it. 
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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2011, 10:41:35 PM »
I still miss them.  I suck.   ;D
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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2011, 03:48:11 AM »
I still miss them.  I suck.   ;D

1.  Do not upshift early - let the bike pick up speed and rpm for a while and then upshift.

Yes, lugging or shifing too early can cause a shifting problem. Also, ask what oil your dealer set the bike up with. Our manual says Synthetic blend, Scooter Bobs tips say full synthetic.
If regular dinosaur is used, I would imagine run in and shifting would not be great.
Number 1 tip and using full synthetic should help.
If a blend is used, we've used Golden  Spectro Blend for years. It helps the most stubborn bike shift easier. It's a friction thing.
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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2011, 05:14:53 AM »
what viscosity?

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2011, 08:25:46 AM »
My Owner's manual recommends 15w-50 semi synth. I used this for the break in and until the next oil change, then switched to fully synth, still 15w-50. I use Silkolene, but any decent motorbike oil will be fine. My G5 (7000 miles) likes it.
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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2011, 08:41:25 AM »
what viscosity?

In my house:
 Eight dollar word for thickness ( or thinness) The higher the number the thicker the "stuff"

In one of my tech handbooks:
Viscosity is a measure of a fluid's resistance to flow. It describes the internal friction of a moving fluid. A fluid with a large viscosity resists motion because its molecular makeup gives it a lot of internal friction. A fluid with low viscosity flows easily because its molecular makeup results in very little friction when it is in motion.



 Bob is the oil guy website is a good website for anyone interested in or just wanting to know more about slippery stuff.

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2011, 03:08:57 PM »
In my house:
 Eight dollar word for thickness ( or thinness) The higher the number the thicker the "stuff"


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/cms/

I considered a similar response like "it the thickness" but then I realized he meant "which viscosity should I use?" English can be so tricky sometimes.

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2011, 10:10:50 PM »
Hehe thanks for the definition there Ice.... but i did mean 'What viscosity to use'

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Re: Missing Gears
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2011, 02:44:36 AM »
We use the BMW 15w50 as it's a bit better cost wise. We get it in bulk barrels.
Amsoil. Silkolene, Motul, Redline, take your pick.
I started using Synthetic in my British twins about 10 years ago. No more flickering oil lights at the stop signs on a 100 degree day.
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